Traveller v Tourist (again!)

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1. Posted by Borisborough (Moderator 1390 posts) 14w 1 Star this if you like it!

At the risk of falling foul of an over-zealous moderator again, there's a good article written by 'Nomadic Matt' (he's been on the road for over ten years) about the vagaries of trying to differentiate between yourself as a traveller and everyone else as a tourist. It even goes on to suggest that even tours are worthwhile. Despite the 'jerky' bits, it's actually very well-written and it should put an end to the tourist v traveller debate for good.

2. Posted by Peter (Admin 6815 posts) 14w 4 Star this if you like it!

Nothing will put an end to the traveller vs tourist debate. Hahaha

3. Posted by greatgrandmaR (Travel Guru 1301 posts) 14w 1 Star this if you like it!

I thought it was a very interesting article which made some good points. The only quibble I have is with when he says spend three months — or three years. Then, and only then, can you start to consider yourself a local

I've lived here (where I live now) for over 45 years and I still do not consider myself a local, and neither do the folks who were born here and lived here all their lives. I've worked here, I know a lot about the place, I know a lot of the people, but I'm not "from" here. And I never will be.

4. Posted by Borisborough (Moderator 1390 posts) 14w Star this if you like it!

Quoting Peter

Nothing will put an end to the traveller vs tourist debate. Hahaha

So true!

Quoting greatgrandmaR

I've lived here (where I live now) for over 45 years and I still do not consider myself a local, and neither do the folks who were born here ...

Also true - I've lived in Auckland for the past 15 years but my accent gives me away (among other things!). But I thought the rest of the article made good sense - especially the bit about taking tours. One of the current threads is about that but, in my experience, tours do have their place - and, I'll reluctantly concede, so do cruises.

5. Posted by ToonSarah (Travel Guru 1046 posts) 14w 1 Star this if you like it!

Thanks for sharing this - it says more or less what I've tried to say in our various debates on this topic, but more clearly perhaps. Yes, we can pick holes with the point about how long you have to be in a place to be a local, but it's pretty much spot on imho. I especially agreed with, 'Don’t judge a traveler just by the places they go or the type of travel they embrace. We’re all out here trying to enjoy ourselves. To each their own.' And I welcome the conviction behind 'Talking trash about tour group travelers doesn’t make you better than them; it just makes you a jerk.'

6. Posted by littlesam1 (Budding Member 75 posts) 14w Star this if you like it!

I probably will always consider myself a tourist. Although I don't do guided tours or cruises. I probably will never take a long term holiday with a group of other tourists. But I do travel to see the tourist sites and famous places. I love to tour cathedrals, museums, and well known cities. Put me on a train between to locations and I am in heaven. I have even been told by a travel elitist that unless I have had to purchase a visa I could never be a traveler which amused me. I do always find the traveler vs tourist argument entertaining though. And like some others have mentioned above I don't think it will ever end.

[ Edit: Edited on 31-Jul-2019, 18:18 GMT by littlesam1 ]

7. Posted by greatgrandmaR (Travel Guru 1301 posts) 14w 1 Star this if you like it!

Quoting ToonSarah

Thanks for sharing this - it says more or less what I've tried to say in our various debates on this topic, but more clearly perhaps. Yes, we can pick holes with the point about how long you have to be in a place to be a local, but it's pretty much spot on imho. I especially agreed with, 'Don’t judge a traveler just by the places they go or the type of travel they embrace. We’re all out here trying to enjoy ourselves. To each their own.' And I welcome the conviction behind 'Talking trash about tour group travelers doesn’t make you better than them; it just makes you a jerk.'

I was a little bit off base and too picky in the definition of a "local" (which is a term I'm not especially fond of). I was saying that I wasn't "from here" and I'm not, but I think I am a local. The terms are (in my mind anyway) not completely congruent. (I've eaten in 65 non-chair local restaurants, although some of that number is because restaurants go in and out of business regularly. Just as an example, three restaurants no more than 2 miles from me have been four different places - first a bar and grill, then a fancy French restaurant, and then another fancy restaurant, and now a Mexican restaurant)

[ Edit: Edited on 01-Aug-2019, 03:53 GMT by greatgrandmaR ]

8. Posted by Teoni (Travel Guru 807 posts) 14w 2 Star this if you like it!

There is one type of traveller/tourist that was missed. The "I can't believe you didn't like (insert destination name here)". Then they proceed to tell you how you did everything wrong exploring said place and that if you followed their itinerary you too would love that destination like they do.

9. Posted by greatgrandmaR (Travel Guru 1301 posts) 14w Star this if you like it!

Yes, I've run into that although the one that I remember was someone who said that she had not met anyone who didn't like Disney cruises, and then I told her that I didn't.

But the reverse of that is the snob who says that such and such a venue is horrible and touristy and that no sensible person would go there.

10. Posted by littlesam1 (Budding Member 75 posts) 14w 1 Star this if you like it!

Teoni

I know too many of those types of travelers! And so many times they take offense if you disagree. I love sharing experiences. And when there are places I did not like as much it's always fun to hear what someone enjoyed there. But I also equally like hearing from some one who did not like a place that I loved. It gives me a more rounded perspective and maybe takes some of the rose tint out of my glasses when talking about the location.

Larry

[ Edit: Edited on 01-Aug-2019, 14:57 GMT by littlesam1 ]