Airport plane arrival time argument............

Travel Forums General Talk Airport plane arrival time argument............

1. Posted by Cottonwood (Respected Member 506 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

Ok, so, just recently on a trip to Arizona, had a conversation with a seat mat who says the arrival time is when the plane gets to the gate and I say it's when it touches down on the runway.

What's your opinion?

2. Posted by road to roam (Travel Guru 979 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

I reckon departure and arrival times are gate to gate.

[ Edit: Edited on 10-Nov-2019, 01:22 GMT by road to roam ]

3. Posted by greatgrandmaR (Travel Guru 1913 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

Departed: Flight has left the departure gate but may not be airborne yet. Arrival time includes the time it takes to taxi to the gate.

I was on a flight from EWR to Heathrow. There were storms in the area (It was June) and we pulled away from the gate on time but did not take off until 10. So that counted as an on time departure even though we were 4 hours late taking off and almost that late landing.

4. Posted by leics2 (Travel Guru 2094 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

I believe it's usual for airlines to calculate departure and arrival time as brakes released/wheel chocks on i.e. gate to gate. Flight time is always padded to allow for taxi/ground time.

5. Posted by ToonSarah (Travel Guru 1374 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

Yes, I reckon gate to gate too :)

6. Posted by ToddP (Moderator 225 posts) 1y 1 Star this if you like it!

Officially arrival time is the touch down time. One of the reasons is that airlines can not control facilities in the airport such as runway being used for landing, taxiing required to get to the gate (based on landing location), availability of gates/ airbridges, etc.

For above reasons for airlines it is "not possible" to calculate accurately the taxiing involved, hence all based on the touch down time only. Touch down time - is your arrival time.

7. Posted by leics2 (Travel Guru 2094 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

Perhaps there is a difference in definition in different parts of the world and/or for different purposes?

For example, in 2014 the Court of Justice of the European Union ruled that, in the context of flight delay compensation, for all European airlines and for non-European airlines departing from EU airports:

> ‘arrival time’..... corresponds to the time at which at least one of the doors of the aircraft is opened<

Having said that, Ryanair still trumpets an on-time arrival on touchdown.