Schengen Visa Dilemma

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1. Posted by travel_deb (Budding Member 8 posts) 6d Star this if you like it!

I am an Australian citizen and as such I'm eligible for Schengen Visa Waiver which allows up to 90 days stay in 180 days.

My dilemma is that we a doing a cruise in starting 9 August 2020 which will put us in the Schengen Zone from 10-17 August 2020 (8 days), and again from 22-26 August 2020 (5 days), then we get off the ship and drive around Ireland, including Northern Ireland from 28 August to 28 September 2020 (32 days). So a total of at most 45 days. We are planning to arrive in Europe around 6-8 weeks prior to the cruise and travel around, but we're not sure if we should or shouldn't visit any Schengen countries as we are unsure of how the 180 days works.

We are then returning to the Schengen Zone for another cruise which will put us in the Zone from 7 - 13 January 2021 (7 days) and 27 January - 3 February 2021 (8 days) which is another 15 days.

We are therefore under the 90 day period but not sure about the 180 day timeframe. When does it start? Does it keep counting as we go in and out of different Schengen and non-Schengen countries? I'm confused!!

And I can't find anything on the internet to tell me who I can contact to get the right information on this,

Any help in any form would be appreciated.

2. Posted by Sander (Moderator 5422 posts) 6d Star this if you like it!

The 180 days is a sliding window. Out of any possible 180 day period, you're only allowed to be in Schengen for 90 days. That means that as long as you make certain to spend no more than 45 days in Schengen in the 6-8 weeks before 9 august 2020, you should be completely fine, as only a month of that will still be in the window by the time you arrive back on 7 January 2021, and you'll be adding and losing new days at the same rate from them on.

3. Posted by travel_deb (Budding Member 8 posts) 6d Star this if you like it!

Its the "sliding window" of the 180 days that I don't get. Does the counting of 180 days start from when I enter the first Schengen country? For example, if we enter say Spain on 1 June 2020, does that mean I can stay in Schengen for a maximum of 90 days total and the 180 day period finishes on 27 November 2020.

Then when I return on 7 January 2021, a new 180 day period commences?

4. Posted by leics2 (Travel Guru 1028 posts) 6d Star this if you like it!

Annoyingly, my lengthy reply to your other post has just disappeared! :-(

Here's the official explanation of the 180-day thing:

>The 180-day reference period is not fixed. It is a moving window, based on the approach of looking backwards at each day of the stay (be it at the moment of entry or at the day of an actual check, such as inland police control or border check upon departure);

• Absence for an uninterrupted period of 90 days allows for a new stay for up to 90 days.

https://eeas.europa.eu/sites/eeas/files/visa_waiver_faqs_en.pdf

Stay out of Schengen for a block of at least 90 days after your August cruise and you should be ok for the January ones.

[ Edit: Edited on 30-Nov-2019, 15:32 GMT by leics2 ]

5. Posted by travel_deb (Budding Member 8 posts) 6d Star this if you like it!

Okay, I think I'm getting it - sorry I'm having trouble grasping all this.

So if I've got it right, despite what date we enter the Schengen zone (let's say 1 June 2020), as long as we don't exceed 90 days, and if we are gone by say 1 October 2020 (123 days), we should be fine to re-enter on 7 January 2021 as this gap would be 99 days.

Yes???

6. Posted by leics2 (Travel Guru 1028 posts) 6d Star this if you like it!

Based on the official quote above, that seems to be the case.

7. Posted by travel_deb (Budding Member 8 posts) 6d Star this if you like it!

Okay, that's kind of what I thought but wasn't sure.

Thanks for your help. Much appreciated.

8. Posted by AndyF (Moderator 1784 posts) 6d Star this if you like it!

Quoting leics2

Annoyingly, my lengthy reply to your other post has just disappeared! :-(

Unfortunately I think the OP suffered a glitch and two identical first posts appeared in separate threads. You replied to one, the one that was flagged as duplicate and before I saw it the other thread flourished. As you've rewritten your reply here I've deleted all the other thread. Sorry for the inconvenience.

[ Edit: Edited on 30-Nov-2019, 17:27 GMT by AndyF ]

9. Posted by leics2 (Travel Guru 1028 posts) 5d 1 Star this if you like it!

Not a problem, Andy. My own fault for writing such a lengthy reply, not copying it before posting...... and not checking the duplicate thread before I did so! :-)

[ Edit: Edited on 30-Nov-2019, 18:56 GMT by leics2 ]