Any ideas when the EU might open up to USA visitors?

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1. Posted by Beausoleil (Travel Guru 1708 posts) 32w Star this if you like it!

Hi. We have reservations for a month in France this Autumn and have been watching as places open up. We're not going to Paris but staying in the Green Zones. As far as I can tell, there is still a 2-week quarantine for us. Any rumors when that may end . . . given the that we're not handling our virus situation very well? Rumors and gossip appreciated. ;)

[ Edit: Edited on 06-Jun-2020, 23:08 GMT by Beausoleil ]

2. Posted by Teoni (Travel Guru 1330 posts) 32w Star this if you like it!

Rumours and gossip? Well I don't think it is looking good. I just read about Costa Rica discussing with our government about opening a non stop flight route between our countries. I can't help thinking if a country that is heavily dependent on the US market for tourists is looking for alternative customer market then Europe who is not nearly as dependent on the US is probably going to lock them out for even longer.

3. Posted by leics2 (Travel Guru 1897 posts) 32w Star this if you like it!

There aren't any rumours, just individual guesses.

Initially, all the Schengen countries completely barred US visitors and the non-Schengen EU countries had their own rules e.g. until very recently there was no restriction on US citizens flying into the UK and the Republic of Ireland but they now need to self-quarantine/ self-isolate for two weeks.

The Schengen countries now allow quarantine-free movement for Schengen & EU citizens and each has set their own restrictions on other citizenships. As you know, France requires two weeks of quarantine for all non-EU/Schengen citizens. I note that its official advice assumes the visitor will have a visa. I am not sure whether non-EU/non-Schengen citizens with visa-free Schengen entry (e.g. US, Australia etc) are allowed to enter the Schengen countries at all.

https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/coming-to-france/coronavirus-advice-for-foreign-nationals-in-france/

As Teoni notes, the US customer market is not vital to the EU/Schengen travel industry. At the moment it is economically more important to allow EU/Schengen citizens the freedom to holiday within the EU/Schengen countries.

Personally, I think it's unlikely that any EU/Schengen travel ban or requirement to self-isolate/quarantine on arrival for US citizens will be lifted until a) the US has some semblance of control over the virus so that individual countries feel they can lift their 'advise against all but essential travel' warning (which invalidates all ordinary travel & travel health insurances) and b) the US blanket ban on Schengen and other EU citizens is lifted.

I fear September/October is too soon to hope for no quarantine requirement.

[ Edit: Edited on 07-Jun-2020, 06:50 GMT by leics2 ]

4. Posted by Teoni (Travel Guru 1330 posts) 32w Star this if you like it!

Quoting leics2

I am not sure whether non-EU/non-Schengen citizens with visa-free Schengen entry (e.g. US, Australia etc) are allowed to enter the Schengen countries at all.

Greece put Australia on the No Quarantine list but as far as I am aware it does not necessarily mean we will get no quarantine entry to other Schengen countries. Besides to get to Greece Australians have to transit through countries that are on the Quarantine on Arrival list, so that would invalidate an Australian traveller's non Quarantine status. Not exactly well thought out by Greece

5. Posted by leics2 (Travel Guru 1897 posts) 32w Star this if you like it!

You are right that the Greek dispensation for Australian citizens won't automatically apply to all Schengen countries.

Quarantine requirements don't generally apply to those who transit through an airport but do not enter the relevant country i.e. they remain airside?

[ Edit: Edited on 07-Jun-2020, 19:33 GMT by leics2 ]

6. Posted by Beausoleil (Travel Guru 1708 posts) 32w Star this if you like it!

Quoting leics2

Personally, I think it's unlikely that any EU/Schengen travel ban or requirement to self-isolate/quarantine on arrival for US citizens will be lifted until a) the US has some semblance of control over the virus so that individual countries feel they can lift their 'advise against all but essential travel' warning (which invalidates all ordinary travel & travel health insurances) and b) the US blanket ban on Schengen and other EU citizens is lifted.

I fear September/October is too soon to hope for no quarantine requirement.

We are thinking along the same lines . . . but holding out until the last minute. The events of the last two weeks do not bode well for our virus numbers going down any time soon. The only thing we can cancel at this point is the car lease. We've paid the cottage rentals in full and our insurance has long since informed us they don't cover pandemics. If and when we're pretty sure we can't go, I'll contact the gite owners and see if we can change to 2021 but won't blame them if they don't agree. I suspect they are hurting financially and could use the money. We've already budgeted it so it won't hurt us. This whole thing certainly was no fault of theirs. I guess we just wait. If they'd just get rid of the 2-week quarantine, we'd go, but I'm not sure what we'd do for two weeks sitting in a room someplace. We have 3 days of hotels before the cottage rentals that mess that up. Fortunately, those three days are able to be cancelled. Bless booking.com . . .

Thanks for the answers leics2 and Teoni. I appreciate your time and input.

7. Posted by Teoni (Travel Guru 1330 posts) 32w Star this if you like it!

Quoting leics2

Quarantine requirements don't generally apply to those who transit through an airport but do not enter the relevant country i.e. they remain airside?

According to the Greek government it will plus that is the whole concept of a "travel bubble" to go from one low infection country to another. Israel has put its hand up to be Australia's new Dubai since it too is on the No Quarantine list of Greece. If you think about it an airport is not an isolation bubble since everyone who works there came from outside so they could potentially bring a virus into the airport and start a spread so I understand why countries would be wary of transit stops in infection hot spot countries.

8. Posted by leics2 (Travel Guru 1897 posts) 32w Star this if you like it!

Any airport (or station, or bus, or cafe) is of course potentially an infection risk...including those in countries with low infection rates........but logic seems to have played little part in many decisions made during this crisis.

The concept of 'air corridors'/ 'air bridges' (same as 'travel bubble', I think) is also being mooted by the UK government.....but that same government has just made the entirely illogical decision to introduce quarantine for all travellers from today, having previously done nothing whatsoever about airports, ferry ports or the Eurostar train. The decision will be reviewed every 3 weeks (and is being challenged in the High Court by the airlines) so how long it will last is anybody's guess....exactly the same as France's quarantine regulations. :-/

[ Edit: Edited on 08-Jun-2020, 07:20 GMT by leics2 ]

9. Posted by Stefmuts (Respected Member 187 posts) 32w Star this if you like it!

There's really no way to tell when the EU might accept US visitors again, some EU countries only just started opening borders for other EU visitors, and only EU visitors from countries where the virus is at acceptable level, this can go ok but when it means the virus will infect more people again they probably will close borders again so you just have to wait and see

10. Posted by leics2 (Travel Guru 1897 posts) 32w Star this if you like it!

<There's really no way to tell when the EU might accept US visitors again,

To clarify, it is the Schengen countries which worked as one to blanket-ban all non-EU/non-EEA visitors, not all EU countries. Some non-Schengen EU countries (e.g. Cyprus, which banned all but its own citizens) have that restriction but others do not (e.g. the Republic of Ireland).

Not all EU countries are part of the Schengen Agreement (i.e. R of Ireland, Cyprus, Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria) and not all Schengen countries are in the EU (i.e. Switzerland, Norway, Iceland).