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21. Posted by leics2 (Travel Guru 2320 posts) 1w 1 Star this if you like it!

>I think you're suffering from 'don't call it off the beaten track because it's not London syndrome'.

Not at all. Andy & I just pointed out that your comment came entirely from a London-based point of view. I genuinely don't understand why you feel there's something awry just because it would take you several hours to get to Whitby by public transport? It would take you 5+ hours to drive.....

>it's longer to get to than it need be.

.......and I note that you're not a driver. If you were you might have a deeper understanding of the country's transport network and how it impacts on travel times.

I live in the centre of England. It takes me several hours to drive to the southern, south-western and most northern counties of England, Wales or Scotland. In some cases train is faster than driving (e.g. to London, York or Edinburgh) but there's no rail transport to many places and the number of long-distance bus routes has massively diminished in recent years (buses are slower than driving yourself anyway).

Unless you're suggesting we increase short domestic flights (not a very 'green' idea) and/or cover the countryside with even more motorways I'm not sure how you think our travel times could or should be reduced? This is a pretty small island with relatively massive population, a road system that began in prehistoric times and developed via the Romans + trackways which appeared as the population grew plus a railway network which was hugely reduced in the Beeching cuts of the 1960s (5000+ miles of track and 2000+ stations closed).

I appreciate that you want this thread to relate to its title but you must expect responses to your own comments, especially when directed at individuals. :-)

[ Edit: Edited on 8 Apr 2021, 11:11 GMT by leics2 ]

22. Posted by Trebor Illusion (Budding Member 97 posts) 1w Star this if you like it!

Quoting leics2

>I think you're suffering from 'don't call it off the beaten track because it's not London syndrome'.

Not at all. Andy & I just pointed out that your comment came entirely from a London-based point of view. I genuinely don't understand why you feel there's something awry just because it would take you several hours to get to Whitby by public transport? It would take you 5+ hours to drive.....

>it's longer to get to than it need be.

.......and I note that you're not a driver. If you were you might have a deeper understanding of the country's transport network and how it impacts on travel times.

I live in the centre of England. It takes me several hours to drive to the southern, south-western and most northern counties of England, Wales or Scotland. In some cases train is faster than driving (e.g. to London, York or Edinburgh) but there's no rail transport to many places and the number of long-distance bus routes has massively diminished in recent years (buses are slower than driving yourself anyway).

Unless you're suggesting we increase short domestic flights (not a very 'green' idea) and/or cover the countryside with even more motorways I'm not sure how you think our travel times could or should be reduced? This is a pretty small island with relatively massive population, a road system that began in prehistoric times and developed via the Romans + trackways which appeared as the population grew plus a railway network which was hugely reduced in the Beeching cuts of the 1960s (5000+ miles of track and 2000+ stations closed).

I appreciate that you want this thread to relate to its title but you must expect responses to your own comments, especially when directed at individuals. :-)

It's cool, no hard feelings.
Still would love it, if that airport had an express coach to Whitby, but, asside from buying a bus and hiring someone to drive it and painting 'Whitby Express' onto for MME / Whitby transfers, it's just not going to be, but I would love for that to be a thing.

23. Posted by Trebor Illusion (Budding Member 97 posts) 1w Star this if you like it!

If I had that kind of money though, I'd buy coaches for 2 services for Whitby, one from Teeside Intl' (as I wished it was a thing, I'd make it a thing) I'd undercut every Taxi Service too and make it like £15 or £30 and do it at a loss if I had the money.
and...

I'd open up a direct London - Whitby coach from Victoria Coach Station, and have it be one coach, with that destination, and maybe stop off at Golder's Green (or even better for my own amusement, West Croydon instead and hit the motorway from the M23/M25 to Whitby)... but...
I would LOVE to get London and Whitby and Whitby and its closest airport better connected, I figure it'll be great and I'd have to start selling Whitby to people too to get interest in the place to try and fill my bus service.

I think, my ambition for that would be to put Whitby on the map so there'd be people in NYC (for example) looking at Whitby as a destination/break.
I mean, if money wasn't an object.

I can see the appeal of Whitby to anyone from a mega city.

[ Edit: Edited on 8 Apr 2021, 11:47 GMT by Trebor Illusion ]

24. Posted by leics2 (Travel Guru 2320 posts) 1w Star this if you like it!

As I said, Whitby is already stuffed-full for much of the year and not exactly deserted even in the winter months.

If your plans were fulfilled a great deal more accommodation would be needed in Whitby and the surrounding area. That would not only destroy swathes of countryside but would also much of what makes Whitby, and similar places, appealing. Hordes of visitors may bring money and seasonal employment into towns and villages but imo there are other factors just as important: maintaining the environment, sustainability and affordable, bearable living conditions for the many year-round residents.

25. Posted by Trebor Illusion (Budding Member 97 posts) 1w Star this if you like it!

Quoting leics2

As I said, Whitby is already stuffed-full for much of the year and not exactly deserted even in the winter months.

If your plans were fulfilled a great deal more accommodation would be needed in Whitby and the surrounding area. That would not only destroy swathes of countryside but would also much of what makes Whitby, and similar places, appealing. Hordes of visitors may bring money and seasonal employment into towns and villages but imo there are other factors just as important: maintaining the environment, sustainability and affordable, bearable living conditions for the many year-round residents.

I figure, if it already has tourists anyway, what difference does it make if they're from Manchester or Manilla, York or New York? I'd love for it to be better connected, but I don't see why they'd need any extra hotels built, just better connectivity getting to it so the word about it could be sold the world over since there are places to stay anyway people can use, so what if a family from Chicago booked the room someone from closer would have booked, I don't think any places should be added to take away from Whitby, no, the existing places are good enough; I mean, if demand went up, prices might, but that is the way of supply & demand.

If anything needs to be added, maybe some small bureal de change/currency outlets here and there in Whitby no one would notice if there aren't any already there, or point people to a Post Office and have them buy £ there even so that branch would be buying foreign currencies, even more if it had to, because I swear this is a service that most branches do if they have the currency to sell, and if they need more £ to sell, so be it -- That would be cool, and make Whitby more of a destination for the world.
The post office can sell this foreign currency as well as £.

Let's say someone from a harder to find currency arrives; lets say someone with £500.00 worth of HK$ (for argument's sake) came into Whitby's branch of the Post Office, and wants to exchange their £500 worth of HK$; The local Post Office or currency exchange place could retain the HK$ cash in the hope that that person bought it back for the £ they sold for the HK$, or, that someone from Whitby looking to go to Hong Kong buys that HK$ with £ because of this bus service I'd love to have, and they wanted to connect in LHR for the LHR - HKG flight, so would love my express coach to Teeside Airport (MME) from Whitby to the airport to make that HKG flight at LHR because Teeside Intl (MME) has 2 MME - LHR and LHR - MME flights a day.
To feel could feel confident with tourists and currency exchange options, to seek HK$ at the local post office Post Office even if it's not huge, if Whitby were connected better, this could be a wonderful thing for Whitby and the world.
I only use HK$ as an example because I'm not sure if my post office in Thornton Heath has much more than Euros or USD, maybe the odd amount of Yen or other currency? - So I feel I'd need to find a bigger branch of the Post Office than my own one for HK$ if not look arund business to business maybe in town be it Croydon Town Centre or Central London, but if Whitby, with all it has to offer, it would still be Whitby nothing major would need to be built if anything at all, but would have tourists who come from other cities of the world just for Whitby (and to use it to explore near by surrounding Robin Hood's Bay); if they want they could even hire a car and see Scarborough... but, if we could make Whitby a little global nook, I'd die a happy man.

Just needs to be better connected to the airport I believe.

[ Edit: Edited on 8 Apr 2021, 14:25 GMT by Trebor Illusion ]

26. Posted by leics2 (Travel Guru 2320 posts) 1w Star this if you like it!

>I figure, if it already has tourists anyway, what difference does it make if they're from Manchester or Manilla, York or New York?

It already has tourists from abroad. You may be surprised at the number of overseas visitors Whitby has in normal times, including many from China (for most it's the Dracula connection). Some come on a daytrip from York (also v popular with overseas visitors) but others make it part of a longer trip exploring the region. In 2018 Yorkshire and Humber region had 1.39 million international visitors, an increase of almost 4% on the previous year.

Once things return to normal, hopefully, that number of visitors, both domestic (10+ million for the region) and international will also return.

PS Whitby already has two POs which offer currency as well as a separate currency exchange. :-)

27. Posted by Trebor Illusion (Budding Member 97 posts) 1w Star this if you like it!

Quoting leics2

>I figure, if it already has tourists anyway, what difference does it make if they're from Manchester or Manilla, York or New York?

It already has tourists from abroad. You may be surprised at the number of overseas visitors Whitby has in normal times, including many from China (for most it's the Dracula connection). Some come on a daytrip from York (also v popular with overseas visitors) but others make it part of a longer trip exploring the region. In 2018 Yorkshire and Humber region had 1.39 million international visitors, an increase of almost 4% on the previous year.

Once things return to normal, hopefully, that number of visitors, both domestic (10+ million for the region) and international will also return.

PS Whitby already has two POs which offer currency as well as a separate currency exchange. :-)

I'm not surprised, I just want them to be able to get a £15 (rough estimate) bus to Whitby from the airport and to sell Whitby to them in their own countries.
:P

I seriously doubt any tourist from China was able to find the express train to Whitby at Teeside Intl (MME) if they flew in just for Whitby via LHR since LHR have those MME flights. I mean, it would be bad to start adding flights from a climate P.O.V but... making use of the existing flights (so that's 2 in, 2 our a day, LHR-MME and vice versa)... should be okay.

I'd love for those tourists to be able to, in loo of there being no train to the airport (I wave my fist at 4.5 hours on a train from MME to Whitby with like 2 or 3 trains, NO!... If we could get the Whitby Express on rail too, if not, a bus which is 1 hr on the road but, I want to make it the same price as getting from the airport to the city centre with good links to its airport so no more than £21.00 hope for £13.00, so would want to slash the £140.00 rtn minicab/Uber fare down to price match getting to Whitby as it would be to anywhere else from its local airport, and cheaper than taking the taxi from the airport.

'The Whitby Express' I'd call my coaches lol

There would be my airport service, catered for that LHR service in mind, so, 2 drop offs a day, 2 pickups a day, schedule to allow passengers from this flight, because, it's me and my company, lol, and LHR has so many direct flights it's a good route into Whitby, that flight.
That'll be:
Whitby - Teeside International (MME) / Teeside International (MME) - Whitby.

and my London coach.

Whitby - West Croydon Bus Station - London Victoria Coach Station / London Victoria Coach Station - West Croydon Bus Station - Whitby

I know other coaches going that way from Victoria Coach Station stop off at Golder's Green, but, I'm from Croydon, if I'd be paying for it, making this service, I'd want to use it to take me home, so jump on and off at West Croydon to make my way back to mine here, and, apart from a Heathrow Bus that stops off at West Croydon Bus Station, I don't know of any other big bus that comes through here, so I'd like to give West Croydon that, and, why should anyone care going to Whitby / London for?
Instead of going to Golder's Green Bus Station before the motorway, it's going to West Croydon Bus Station before the motorway; someone looking for a bus to Whitby from London or vice versa isn't going to care it's stops at West Croydon before the motorway instead of Golder's Green, and it'll be an added bonus for anyone looking to travel between Croydon or Whitby.
I won't accept TFL in London, so no jumping on my bus to Victoria and West Croydon, ticketed passengers only pls.
If money wasn't an object pie in the sky dream of mine. I'd price match this compete with other coaches from London to this part of England, but I'd sell its directness and call it an Express.

As for the Whitby Express in Whitby to the airport up there (and not my own express from here to Whitby)..; I'm aware this airport serves other places, but, it's Whitby's closest, it has flights to and from LHR twice a day; I'd cater for those flights, and price it to give people who may fly in because they started in Orlando or Taipei a break (and price it at like £13.00 opposed to £70.00) so they don't have to take the taxi when going to Whitby.

If money wasn't an object, I wouldn't care if it didn't sell well, or if it did but cost me money somehow, I'd just do it for Whitby, maybe get a knighthood j/k, but I wouldn't care about the money.

[ Edit: Edited on 8 Apr 2021, 15:14 GMT by Trebor Illusion ]

28. Posted by AndyF (Moderator 2250 posts) 1w 2 Star this if you like it!

Have you considered turning your entrepreneurial skills to Skegness next? I'm sure they'd love coachloads of Chinese tourists shuttling in from DSA.

29. Posted by Trebor Illusion (Budding Member 97 posts) 1w Star this if you like it!

Quoting AndyF

Have you considered turning your entrepreneurial skills to Skegness next? I'm sure they'd love coachloads of Chinese tourists shuttling in from DSA.

No... Only things that I'd love to have that aren't here.

Like that airport service for Whitby and MME because I saw how much it was for the taxi and how long it was by train... (Too long).

I've fantasied the notion of doing a deal with US border control and turning Eugene (EUG) into a border/international airport and having a direct service from LHR - EUG nonstop so I could go to Springfield, OR in a day without worrying about missing a connecting flight... :) but that's no skill, that's just 'see what you want work out what you need to set it up'.

..
I first flew to PHL direct from LGW, like 5 people on that flight maybe that day; soon enough I believe US Airways stopped the Philadelphia - London Gatwick flights, but if money wasn't an option, I wouldn't care if my buses were empty; I'd just have to sell the directness to the airport or London to Whitby, and I'd have to sell Whitby and its directness if I cared about passenger numbers and getting people to see Whitby from London easier.

[ Edit: Edited on 8 Apr 2021, 15:23 GMT by Trebor Illusion ]

30. Posted by leics2 (Travel Guru 2320 posts) 1w 1 Star this if you like it!

Actually, I think Skegness would be a much better idea than Whitby. It has a miniscule number of international visitors......

...or what about Cleethorpes? Rhyl? Morecambe? Great Yarmouth? Bridlington? All have airports within reasonable bus distance, all have a negligible number of international visitors and all are towns which would benefit far more from an increased number international visitors than Whitby, which is already stuffed full for most of the year and making a good living from its visitors.

[ Edit: Edited on 8 Apr 2021, 15:28 GMT by leics2 ]