When looking at a destination; What Do You Look For?

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41. Posted by Trebor Illusion (Budding Member 261 posts) 4w Star this if you like it!

Quoting leics2

>none my options have that express train from London to York I wanted it seems.

You're not being 'jerked around'! There are engineering and maintenance works. They happen regularly, they don't last forever and they are essential. You wouldn't want to travel on dangerous railway lines with faulty signalling, would you?

Perhaps you could travel on a Sunday instead. For example, 18th April is fine. Use https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/ to find out exactly what's happening when.

Andy, if a 5-hour train journey is too long I suspect the Coast-to-Coast would be out of the question.

I'm not even looking at this time of year so here's hoping I can get that London - York train in the autumn;.
It just doesn't bode well looking at the network for dates closer to today.
I think it's too soon to book for when I want to travel, so getting a rough idea of the cost and the route/services I can use for ease of travel.

42. Posted by AndyF (Moderator 2288 posts) 4w 1 Star this if you like it!

You're making a right meal of planning a trip to the seaside. Do you normally stress about things to this extent?

43. Posted by leics2 (Travel Guru 2546 posts) 4w Star this if you like it!

>I think it's too soon to book for when I want to travel, so getting a rough idea of the cost and the route/services I can use for ease of travel.

You certainly don't need to book a London>York train ticket until at least a month or so before your dates, at the very earliest.

Depending on what you mean by 'Autumn', there may not be much point in looking at routes and fares now. Rail timetables often change after the summer months.

>It just doesn't bode well looking at the network for dates closer to today.

For goodness' sake! Even if you never use trains outside London logic should tell you that the fact engineering works are happening on that line now means they're much less likely to be happening in the Autumn. I know TfL and SWT have loads of engineering and other issues but, believe me, railways in the rest of the country simply aren't like that (probably because London & the SE gets the lion's share of funding).

[ Edit: Edited on 9 Apr 2021, 17:36 GMT by leics2 ]

44. Posted by Trebor Illusion (Budding Member 261 posts) 4w Star this if you like it!

Quoting AndyF

You're making a right meal of planning a trip to the seaside. Do you normally stress about things to this extent?

It's easier to work out how to get to Eugene, Oregon than it is with Whitby; unless I want to fly to Teeside and get a taxi, but, that option prices itself out of the market taking the taxi from the airport, and times itself out of the convenience taking the train from the airport since there's multiple trains and hours for that option.

It's so long to get to it means "I'm at the seaside" for days, and if need be and I run out of things in my Whitby get away to do, I can explore the surrounding areas with ease, once I'm there of course.

45. Posted by Trebor Illusion (Budding Member 261 posts) 4w Star this if you like it!

Quoting leics2

>I think it's too soon to book for when I want to travel, so getting a rough idea of the cost and the route/services I can use for ease of travel.

You certainly don't need to book a London>York train ticket until at least a month or so before your dates, at the very earliest.

Depending on what you mean by 'Autumn', there may not be much point in looking at routes and fares now. Rail timetables often change after the summer months.

>It just doesn't bode well looking at the network for dates closer to today.

For goodness' sake! Even if you never use trains outside London logic should tell you that the fact engineering works are happening on that line now means they're much less likely to be happening in the Autumn. I know TfL and SWT have loads of engineering and other issues but, believe me, railways in the rest of the country simply aren't like that (probably because London & the SE gets the lion's share of funding).

South Western Trains go to Waterloo from Putney way, I use them for Waterloo and Putney (just change trains from Southern to South Western at Clapham Junction)...
No, I'm blessed with Britain's worst running through my station, owned by Southern Railway, the people whom industrial action and poor customer service and quality of train makes even South Western carriages seem 'posh'.
The train website asked me if I wanted to book TTH - WTB rtn with LNER or someone else, I was going buy these tickets from Southern anyway at my local at the window because I figure they could hook me up like they have with everywhere else I've used the train for in England; but it's still the same network no matter who sells me the ticket; same trains
- but now I'm thinking if I want to go that way, I'm going to have to buy my tickets individually to get what I want because in an ideal world I'm looking to take trains from Thornton Heath to Scarborough (TTH - SCA rtn) and take the bus to the place and arrive after seeing the scenery on the ride up to Whitby from Scarborough; I may have force it and buy the tickets London to York rtn, and York to Scarborough rtn and then find the bus to Whitby from there.

  • ** Actually, it dawns on me (in theory) if I choose my own trains and didn't let some website do it for me; I could probably get, (don't see why not)

1 x London - York rtn ticket on that express 2 hour train I wanted.
Then 2 busses, York to Malton - Malton to Whitby for another 2 hours.
I don't need to worry about a ticket from Thornton Heath since it's in London and can use my Oyster Card or bank card.
IDK why this never occurred to me before.

[ Edit: Edited on 9 Apr 2021, 22:40 GMT by Trebor Illusion ]

46. Posted by Trebor Illusion (Budding Member 261 posts) 4w Star this if you like it!

They have a chicken shop that sells pork ribs and it looks nicer than ones I have here (on the website) so, I'm actually excited about that; they deliver from 5 pm too, which is cool; I could order to my hotel.

I just checked, they have pizza too, 2 places out of 3 do delivery, so that's cool.
Order a pizza and a soft drink and enjoy my room after a long day's adventuring/exploring/shopping in Whitby.

There was this episode of The X-Files where there was vampires in this small town who hid some tranquilliser in the pizzas and the heros of the show ordered pizza to the motel - I could have my own poetic fun/dinner in this hotel I want in Whitby (by the Abbey, that one hotel that's up by the ruins).. ordering pizza to my hotel there and relax, watch TV with my pizza dinner; IDK, I guess I'm just getting excited about all the random stuff I could do there.
I just hope I enjoy the hotel as much as I do the town.

[ Edit: Edited on 9 Apr 2021, 23:01 GMT by Trebor Illusion ]

47. Posted by leics2 (Travel Guru 2546 posts) 4w Star this if you like it!

>IDK why this never occurred to me before.

I don't know either. I could and would have suggested it as an option but you were already complaining about how long the train journey took so I didn't think you'd want an even longer journey which involved time waiting around and changes of bus!

> this hotel I want in Whitby (by the Abbey, that one hotel that's up by the ruins).

It isn't a 'hotel' by the abbey ruins: it's a YHA youth hostel. That's absolutely fine as long as you're a) happy with a youth hostel and b) are happy to walk down and back up 199 steps to get into Whitby itself.

On foot it's about half a mile from the bus & railway stations including those 199 steps or there's a 1.5 mile road route which avoids them.

[ Edit: Edited on 10 Apr 2021, 07:03 GMT by leics2 ]

48. Posted by Trebor Illusion (Budding Member 261 posts) 4w Star this if you like it!

Yeah, I know the trip in theory, and online; but anything past King's Cross is a mystery to me.
I saw a plethora of trains with multiple changes in city's I've heard of (Middlesbrough, Peterborough) with changes along the way and changes afterwards; and I know in all the madness of working out how to go by land (oppose to domestic flight from Heathrow).. I know I saw Scarborough from York and a bus from Scarborough to Whitby; I believe that's what I saw; and I hope it's actually an option for the scenic route, but IDK, everything past King's Cross will be a first for me on this; unless I see Leeds (which I haven't); no, I've seen Middlesbrough, Peterborough (and other places here and there to get to these places to get to Whitby driving up the price and the tickets needed' instead of that train to York I couldn't find anymore when I looked yesterday.

A quick look on Google now tells me there is a bus from Scarborough to Whitby that takes an hour, so that's perfect.
Another quick look on Google tells me the London to York train is also the London to Aberdeen, Scotland train, and its first stop, thank you Google.

I mean, in theory, in checking ticketing websites, it's all notices of bus replacement services.

49. Posted by Trebor Illusion (Budding Member 261 posts) 4w Star this if you like it!

Quoting leics2

>IDK why this never occurred to me before.

I don't know either. I could and would have suggested it as an option but you were already complaining about how long the train journey took so I didn't think you'd want an even longer journey which involved time waiting around and changes of bus!

> this hotel I want in Whitby (by the Abbey, that one hotel that's up by the ruins).

It isn't a 'hotel' by the abbey ruins: it's a YHA youth hostel. That's absolutely fine as long as you're a) happy with a youth hostel and b) are happy to walk down and back up 199 steps to get into Whitby itself.

On foot it's about half a mile from the bus & railway stations including those 199 steps or there's a 1.5 mile road route which avoids them.

I phoned the YHA the other week to see if they were open because the internet wasn't showing them at all and the website said it was closed; so I phoned the YHA and found a helpful member of staff who knew the branch and the town well; they said they're opening from May, and they only have 1 room that's not shared and, because of Covid, can't offer the shared rooms (which is fine since I told them I wanted the private room with the en suite bathroom anyway, so that should be okay). One of the nights I wanted to go was already booked, but, I'm working out what dates aren't for when I go; if I stuck to my original dates, I'd only get the cool Abbey hotel/hostel location for 1 night, but if I find a window for 3 nights, I'd plan my visit for that. If however, I stick to my original dates, Whitby has other rooms in other places for those dates so I guess I don't have to use 1 place if I end up spending my last night next to the Abbey as I would love to just have it outside for being able to step outside and look at it, even in the middle of the night too maybe (depends how lit up it is or how bright it is that night).

I only heard of it and decided I wanted to use it after a YouTuber mentioned its price and location and it being 1 of 3 things at the top of the 199 Stairs, the other 2 things being the abbey and the church with the famous graveyard.

[ Edit: Edited on 10 Apr 2021, 09:41 GMT by Trebor Illusion ]

50. Posted by Trebor Illusion (Budding Member 261 posts) 4w Star this if you like it!

Quoting leics2

>IDK why this never occurred to me before....
On foot it's about half a mile from the bus & railway stations including those 199 steps or there's a 1.5 mile road route which avoids them.

Great! I was wondering how the pizza delivery was going to get up there. lol