Will we ever travel freely again?

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1. Posted by Ils1976 (Respected Member 199 posts) 26w Star this if you like it!

Hi,

Now that things are looking a little bit better I was wondering how things are in your part of the world concerning vaccines?

I am vaccinated with Johnson & Johnson (not by choice, our government did this for me) just to be able to travel again, but now it seems that I cannot even travel to my neighboring country Germany because they look at this vaccine as not fully vaccinated. Even when I have a second one, which counts as a booster in my country is not enough for them. They need at least 3 jabs, in order to be "safe". I need to test every time I go into the country and give them a negative PCR test.

Not completely agreeing with all this hassle, I was wondering how things are in the rest of the world. Is it easy to travel to your part of the world?

A friend of mine is not vaccinated and hopes to travel again, but has no idea where to go? Are there countries where we already can travel freely again???

2. Posted by AndyF (Moderator 2603 posts) 26w Star this if you like it!

I think it's going to be lumpy - each government looking at things differently.

Here in the UK our government is now trying to say the pandemic is over, and they talk of removing all covid rules later this month. This includes even just isolating if you catch covid.

One good thing about this winter's Omicron outbreak in Europe is that there is now lots of natural immunity in people, so I think Europe may return to normal this summer. (Whether there is a new outbreak next winter is another question.)

At the other extreme, New Zealand have a plan to reopen to travellers, they have a good rate of vaccination but almost zero herd immunity through infections. That will really be a test of how good the vaccine protection is compared to immunity through infection. The number of cases there is now beginning to spike, and I wonder if they will be left with restrictions for a long time.

Re people who have chosen not to get vaccinated, I have little sympathy for them. They've made this much more difficult for the rest of us, so if they suffer through restrictions on travel then that's fine by me.

3. Posted by Ils1976 (Respected Member 199 posts) 26w Star this if you like it!

One good thing about this winter's Omicron outbreak in Europe is that there is now lots of natural immunity in people, so I think Europe may return to normal this summer. (Whether there is a new outbreak next winter is another question.)

Here's hoping you are right, but I guess in wintertimes we still are going to experience some outbreaks I am afraid.

Re people who have chosen not to get vaccinated, I have little sympathy for them. They've made this much more difficult for the rest of us, so if they suffer through restrictions on travel then that's fine by me.[/quote]

Andy I understand what you are saying but even when you have health problems and can't be vaccinated because it results in more severe problems I think those people should be heard as well and most of them of course have a document to proof it, some of them sadly enough not, so that's tough as well.

I am not pro or against vaccins to be honest, I just want to go back to normal. In my case it seems I have enough immunity in my system because of having covid before I was even vaccinated. Luckily I didn't got sick of the virus and I must admit that I got sicker of the vaccines, but I still needed to have them because otherwise I was isolated of everything I know because this was before the recovery certificate. So because I have enough antibodies in my system I still need the vaccine to get somewhere. This for me personal is a bit strange. I did get them but now with my J & J and Pfizer one, I still get discriminated to go into a country because they say I am not "vaccinated" enough. Sometimes I think this has nothing to do with health anymore and I just wondered how long it is going to take till we go back to normal, but it seems it is going to take a long time.

Here in Belgium the government is not that strict anymore either when it comes to travellers into the country when you are vaccinated, no quarantaine is needed as well, so that is a good thing, but I so hope we are going to a time again where you don't need a gazillion papers and loads of stress wether or not you are allowed to go into another country or might get refused because something isn't filled in correct. How I miss the old days!

Here's to hoping that things will get better when time goes by! ;)

4. Posted by MattF27 (Budding Member 16 posts) 26w Star this if you like it!

At some stage yes we will, when that will be is anyones guess

Some countries will take longer to come around to the idea of relaxing things, that's just how it's going to be for now

We just have to move on with life the best we can, vaccinated or not

5. Posted by Ils1976 (Respected Member 199 posts) 26w Star this if you like it!

We just have to move on with life the best we can, vaccinated or not[/quote]

So true, but for some reason it can't go quick enough for me!

Thanks again for the pointers Matt and I guess I should not be so mad for "choices" made by one country and look forward instead of sticking my head into something that can't be solved in the first place.

Putting it into words we all know now, here's hoping for a positive mindset not a positive PCR test!

[ Edit: Edited on 10 Feb 2022, 13:27 GMT by Ils1976 ]

6. Posted by berner256 (Moderator 1558 posts) 26w Star this if you like it!

The hassles are unlikely to change for the foreseeable future, particularly if you have to cross borders. I traveled extensively in the U.S. and overseas last year and plan to do so again this year. I'll still wear a face mask where required or recommended. I also expect to be tested frequently. Entry requirements, such as filling out passenger locator and health forms, are likely to continue in many places. Those requirements can change at a moment's notice. Some countries will still require proof of medical insurance against COVID. If recommended, I'll get another vaccination booster when it becomes available. It's also important to plan ahead to avoid potential issues (know, for example, what change and cancellation policies are for flights, hotels, tours, cruises, etc.). Even so, problems can arise, such as testing positive immediately before or during travel. Have options in mind. Flexibility is key.

7. Posted by Ils1976 (Respected Member 199 posts) 26w Star this if you like it!

Have options in mind. Flexibility is key.[/quote]

Sadly enough that's true, I am still looking at all my options. Thanks for the advice!

8. Posted by irenevt (Travel Guru 972 posts) 25w Star this if you like it!

Hong Kong's situation is similar to New Zealand's. Our government insists on trying to achieve zero infections. We have a major Omicron outbreak at the moment. Schools, sports centres, museums, hairdresser's and lots of other things are all closed. Restaurants close by 6. You can't be in a group bigger than 2 anywhere outside. In your own home no more than 2 family groups at one time. They keeping checking the sewage and declaring places infected, so we have huge queues of people waiting for compulsory testing. We have to go tomorrow for this or face the equivalent of a £1000 fine each. We are running out of space in hospitals and quarantine centres. We are having our 3rd vaccine in 2 weeks. I'd take it sooner but the vaccination centres are busy due to this outbreak. It feels like we are back where we started two years ago.

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10. Posted by Teoni (Travel Guru 1854 posts) 25w Star this if you like it!

Personally I think it is better to think of this as the new normal. Outbreaks are probably going to come and go and every outbreak will have to be managed so as not to overwhelm the hospital system. I think it is best not to pine over the past and just pick your destination and deal with the bureaucracy. It is kind of like after 9/11. A lot of people were upset with the changes but if you waited for things to go back to pre 9/11 you would still not be travelling 20 years later.