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161. Posted by Peter (Admin 6632 posts) 13y Star this if you like it!

Quoting steen1976

Tough sh*t. He knew the punishment for what he was doing. How many people would have died due to addiction to the filth he was bringing in?

Bloody hell, wasn't Australia going to blow up a ship full of people tying to get into Oz a few years ago. They can hardly cry about one of theirs being hung for carrying that amount of heroin.

Probably all discussed before but I'm going through all of that

Well, not much point in answering that if you're not willing to read what has already been discussed.

But where on earth did you get the "Australia wanting to blow up a ship full of people" story? That's just like Chinese whispers on steroids

162. Posted by coldwarspy (Travel Guru 1108 posts) 13y Star this if you like it!

He is stupid - dont bring drugs into these countries

163. Posted by MerB (Full Member 147 posts) 13y Star this if you like it!

Quoting Peter

Agreed, keep away from slanderous, inflammatory comments please. That doesn't mean we can't discuss this properly though.

I see both sides of the argument and personally agree the penalty is far too harsh in his circumstances.

OzeHiker didn't present the case very well. There are several points, beside the 'first time offender' logic that are in fact far more compelling.

1. He was virtually driven to do this to save his brother from a very bad debt. Sob story, I know..
2. He was caught in transit. He was not in fact smuggling drugs into or out of Singapore. I don't know about you, but if I were fined $1000 in transit at Singapore airport for chewing gum, that would seem kind of strange no? In other countries with similarly strict regulation (Malaysia, Thailand), they have been known to take this into account.
3. The Singaporean system is one of mandatory death sentence. It means that regardless of your circumstances, you are effectively screwed if you are found with drugs on you. So no matter how those drugs ended up on him, he must die under their law. Something which I personally find reprehensible. There are always grey areas in life and why a judge is not allowed to take that into account is beyond me.

On the flipside, I do respect that Singapore has the right to enforce their laws (though enforcing it on people in transit is somewhat dubious). I have no plans to boycott them in any way for this. I have always found Singapore to be a very friendly place and would be more than happy to visit again.

And in all fairness, Australia has its fair share of dubious policies that I find utterly disgusting as well, but that doesn't make me want to leave. Kids being locked away in detention anyone?


164. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 13y Star this if you like it!

Quoting MerB


Thanks for your input!

165. Posted by vegasmike6 (Travel Guru 3580 posts) 13y Star this if you like it!

I did see that episode of 'Star Trek' and now look at it differently than I did as a teenager. The writers were trying to get the audience to think about war, punishment and the DP. This has been a lively discussion and did veer a bit from the Singapore DP to the case of 'Tookie' Williams and the DP in general.What is important to me is that members at least examine the pros and cons of the DP and express an opinion. I changed my view on the DP and I am confident others will as well. It should only take one case of executing the wrong person for anyone with compassion to examine how we arrive at the execution chamber.

Now I will return the soap box to the next one in line. And Isa, quit 'sitting on that pole', a painful image to contemplate.

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170. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 13y Star this if you like it!

Shame to see this thread get so off topic that it needs closing.

May I ask all the members to please think before posting?

It's awfully easy to get caught up in the emotions of a post, but part of the brilliance of forums that span the globe is that a lot of the people you are communicating with live in a different country, a different culture, with different laws, rules and upbringing. What you might think is the most obvious thing in the world is more often than not going to be the opposite of what someone else thinks, no matter how great you think it is yourself or how accepted it is where you live/come from! People's views on things are going to be different and I think everyone posting needs to consider that before answering in a heated manner.

Personally, that's why I love travelling. It shows you more about what the rest of the world is like and how to understand other people and their cultures and views. Anyone that's never travelled outside their country won't be able to relate to that and thus have an incredibly hard time keeping an open mind, no matter how open minded they think they are.

Anyway, I'm sorry to do this but the thread is getting too emotional without proper discussion and openness towards others ideas and thoughts and unfortunately is not going anywhere due to that.

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