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22. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 13y Star this if you like it!

I realize this is a very controversial thread and it will be one that will have opposing views. So far, the discussion has been civil - this is just a reminder to keep it that way.

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28. Posted by TKolb325 (Full Member 197 posts) 13y Star this if you like it!

This thread seems to have 2 mini arguments within itself.

1.Is the death penalty appropriate for drug trafficking?

2.Should this man be put to death for drug trafficking in Singapore?

My answers:

1. No. I think the death penalty is way to harsh for something as petty as drug trafficking. Yes, drugs do create a society in which people die everyday whether it be from the drugs, or people killing eachother for the money generated by the drugs. But, I believe that threat is contained to the people within the enviroment that it is spawned from. If this guy had gotten killed by some other drug dealer, most of us would say "thats what he gets for dealing drugs." But an outside party(the govt) does the killing, which I don't agree with.


2.Yes he should be put to death for drug trafficking in Singapore. Wow, that sounds really harsh, but in all fairness, he knew what he was doing when he made this transaction, and knew the risks entailed. When I go to my buddy down the street and buy a dime bag of pot from him, I know that I may get pulled over on the way home, and if I get caught, then I get exactly what I was risking. I don't agree that I should get fined, and sent to drug classes, but I accept that as the law in America, and by choosing to continue with my illegal venture, I choose to accept responsibility for my actions.

I hate that this poor bastard is being sent to death for trying to help his family out, but, that is the risk he took. It does sadden me that Singapore is so harsh and merciless on this issue, but we must accept their ways. And obviously there is some benefit to such harshness. How big of a drug problem do they have there compared to countries with less harsher rules? I may be wrong, but I would guess it is much lower than in most countries. Like Q-Zhang said, laws are created to deter crime. And this law has worked on most people that prefer to live, than to take a risk for money.

My heart goes out to this man. All I can do is hope that this situation will teach more people not to try and break the laws in Singapore. After all, that was the intention of the law. To prevent this from happening in the first place.

29. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 13y Star this if you like it!


Personally I disagree with the use of capital punishment as... punishment. It clearly doesn't work. Every year thousands of more people are thrown into prisons around the world. Hundreds of them are sentanced to death. But still people break these laws we hole dear to our hearts.

I think a fundamental change needs to come, instead of punishment, reform & help. Most people with children and even pets know that positive reinforcement works out better for everyone.

I propose we elect me supreme commander of the solar system, and I will apolish punishment. No more jails, police, death-row. Instead I will have legions of elephants that will hand out a lolly-pop to everyone who willfuly completes a good deed.

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30. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 13y Star this if you like it!

Quoting TKolb325

Like Q-Zhang said, laws are created to deter crime. And this law has worked on most people that prefer to live, than to take a risk for money.

Such a wise and eloquent boy I am !

Bottom line, call for a boycot all you want. There are enough people who travel who DON'T do drugs, and DON'T have anything to do with drugs, and DON'T like drug traffickers that I seriously doubt the Singaporean economy is going to be hurt by a boycot.

I'm a firm believer in you reap what you sow. Call me cold blooded if you will. There's so much death and suffering in the world, we're worried about executing some dude who should've known better ? I know lots of people who would love to live the life this guy had, and WOULDN'T screw up.

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