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iT jobs and work conditions in general in Oz?

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1. Posted by b0bk (First Time Poster 1 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

Hello people,

first post here, seems like a very nice little forum!

- I'd like to know if simple iT jobs are available in the main cities?

I'm looking at helpdesks, onsite pc technician or assembler in a shop, you know personnal or office hardware and software troubleshooting...
I have 1 year experience in Level 2 onsite support in a major international company so that should give me something to show my value and seriousness.

- What difference in salary can i expect from basic manual work such as gardening, painting or delivering?

- Is there a minimum wage in place?Would you say it is sufficient to live as a backpacker there?

I've heard bad things about fruit picking farms from an Irish bloke i met in Croatia, where they just embark trekers in vans, drive them to remote fields and then more or less force them to rent everything from them since its in the middle of nowhere ; expensive lodging and food and worst of all if you don't agree once you're there they dont bring you back to the city/coast...

- Any feedback on this?I hope to avoid fruitpicking because like factory work it wears down your body making you more prone to infections and the its the worst paid jobs!If i don't have the choice i will but i'd rather go with a list of tried and tested farms which are family-run and not corporation crap.

I know also that OZ is becoming kinda America no 2 security-wise, any major changes since 9/11 there?Anything state-security-related to be aware of?

I read that story on indymedia about an american green activist who was treated as a terrorist for teaching protest techniques recently ; is there somekind of un-admitted war against left wing, anti-racist people as in the usa?

- Are Australian Rednecks a reality? Something that you have to think about?
I hate people who hate people, those Sydney white bourgeois "riots" deeply hurted me and being a conscious traveller theres no way im spending a year giving money to a racist country, whichever it may be.

Here in France we had our share 3 weeks ago but the riots here weren't carried out by bored, drunk, middleclass white folks driving modern cars going about pride and patriotism but poor, 2nd/3rd generation immigrated youth which had been set aside of the country for 20 years and became fed up with police brutality and lack of perspective.
It wasn't about chasing white frenchs or tourists throwing beer bottles at them telling them to leave...

I understand things are getting tougher the world over and that what happened sunday could have happened in another country but please re-assure me, the multiculturism of Australia (sp?) is real right?!

Thanks a lot for any help and advice and more importantly peace to all!!!


2. Posted by ujkle (Budding Member 42 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

For an idea about what work is available, try or is okay as well. The last time I worked at a helpdesk (a couple of years ago) the entry level salary hovered around 30k, but I think we were getting underpaid.

There is a minimum wage in place, but it varies across different professions. Try for more specific information. I've no idea about the fruitpicking jobs, to be honest.

I'm not touching the racism question - I mean, there's definately a big element of racism (in my opinion, anyway) in the current riots in Cronulla, but there's also a bunch of (allegedly) Lebanese kids rioting as well and fighting the police, so I really don't know what's going on, to be honest. I know a couple of people who live down there and insist it's being exacerbated by the media presence there as well.

3. Posted by numero1 (Respected Member 295 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

i used to work in IT helpdesk here in Oz and I felt I was being greatly undderpaid for the work I did.

just a small question - What kind of Visa are you entering Australia with?

The websites all mentioned in the post above are good. It can be difficult for those on work visas to obtain IT jobs here, but not 100% sure as I'm a resident here. But I certainly don't recall anyone on work visas in IT when I was in that industry.

OK, you do point out that Sydney is in the middle of race riouts ATM. WEll, yes it is a multicultural country, but I believe we have failed as a nation to INTEGRATE all cultures here. People from different cultures live in different areas of the city and they view others with suspicion mainly because they are ill-informed about other cultures or just plain ignorant.

I know this is going to sound contriversial, and my parents were not born in Australia, they are migrants here, but I do believe there is a high amount of discrimination and racism in Australian society,(mainly due to ignorance). This is mainly under the surface though, but it can manifest into other areas of life (e.g. getting a decent job, getting into a nightclub). I have come across it myself and been the victim of racist comments here before, and I make it my point to counter racist and discriminatory remarks whenever or whrerever I hear it, in Australia or elsewhere. Having said that, I do not believe it is as big an issue as the media would like us to believe it is over here.

For the record I live in a mixed suburb in sydney, close to a very popular beach here. There are many tourists and hostels in my suburb and unfortunately now I am also living too close to the trouble that took place over the last 2 days in Sydney.

Lets hope it calms down soon.

4. Posted by steen1976 (Budding Member 26 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

Sorry but if you're coming in on a WHV then your chances of getting IT work are very slim from what I can tell.

There are three of us living in a house at the moment who have IT experience. Myself as a programmer and the two others as System Admin.

We can't get work for love nor money. The two others have all the skills and more for helpdesk work and have applied for loads but keep getting turned down. Even though they are temp contracts I think they want folk with full work visas/Australians. In case the role goes over the three month limit I guess.

I've now started to apply for call centre and data entry jobs and I'm getting nowhere on that from either. I think it's a bad time of year though and will pick up in the new year. Reckon I'll be getting out of Sydney thuogh.

As for the riots. Don't let it put you off. I've found racism and general ignorance here, especially from the older generation. But it's no difference to most other countries in this world. I've experienced it in your country and mine b0bk, so don't let that get in your way of visiting what is a wonderful country. There are a number of factors which have lead to the riots, racism the main one. But don't blame the white Australians because the middle eastern Australians are as much to blame and they are the ones causing most of the bother in the days after Cronulla.

The world has many problems and unfortunately this one has come to a head in Australia now as it has in many countries around the world already.

5. Posted by Sander (Moderator 5235 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

Quoting steen1976

Sorry but if you're coming in on a WHV then your chances of getting IT work are very slim from what I can tell.

There are three of us living in a house at the moment who have IT experience. Myself as a programmer and the two others as System Admin.

We can't get work for love nor money.

I had the exact same problem around this time of year. Looked for over two months, and found exactly one week of work in the time up to christmas (website development). And then January 1 rolled around, and suddenly I was getting three emails a week with inquiries as to my availability and new projects to work on.
Don't give up hope yet - things always really ramp down to christmas. (Also, what kind of programming do you do? It doesn't sound like web programming, but if I'm wrong about that, holler and I can tell you the perfect site to go to.)

6. Posted by kacjp (Budding Member 14 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

I'm currently working in helpdesk, however in Geelong, victoria's second largest city (behind Melbourne). Jobs aren't plentiful in IT unless you are a specialist in something...I worked in a job I hated for 2 years before I even got on a helpdesk! Best bet would be to find jobs behind bars, fruit picking (in season of course) and waiter/waitressing.

7. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

Quoting steen1976

Myself as a programmer and the two others as System Admin.

How is your coldfusion programming??

8. Posted by majito (Respected Member 442 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

Travellers are well down the food chain when it comes to IT jobs because even locals have difficulty finding them. There's quite a bit of work around, but it's not in the big companies. A lot of its shared around by small well networked groups of individuals who work from home. Leading up to New Year is increasingly difficult for any work except hospitality.

And BoBK, you can ramble on all you like about your assumptions of Australians. If you're such a "concious traveller" as you say you are then the first thing on your mind should be seeing it for yourself so you can make informed comments. Come down, I'm sure you'll love it. I almost guarantee it. And if you don't then tell me about it before you leave.

What you saw wasn't some bubbling middle class Australia-wide rascist sentiment that exploded one Sunday. It was too much booze under the sun in the hands of a minority of ignorant idiot teenagers who will one day soon probably look back and say "what a misinformed ignorant teenager I was." I'm not saying there isn't problems. If I did then I would be the ignorant one. I'm saying that the way the problem was handled was simply sickening. I also think your view on the French riots compared to Australia is naive to say the least. They may not have been middle-class, but its the middle class's determination to keep them out that is the root of the problem. I also think the Natives of Tahiti and New Caledonia and the former inhabitants of the now uninhabited radioactive atolls of Mururoa might also disagree. I'm sure if they could toss molotov cocktails from the Pacific to the Place de La Concorde, they would.

And the American lefty? The decision to boot him out was made according to the laws of our country and laws he understood. Whether left or right it wouldn't have mattered. According to our visa laws if you do anything to vilify ANY segment of our community or incite discord then you're out. And good riddance to him I say.

So again I say, come on down. Get some real perspective and a suntan, and who knows? Maybe a job in IT.