To smoke or not to smoke

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41. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

Quoting jase007

Same with food, smoking, drinking etc... just tell the gov to sort out their own problems before telling me what to do!!!

When I was a kid, I'd ask my parents "What's 'the government?" and they'd ALWAYS reply 'We're the government.' It frustrated me no end - but I can see how that applies now. We're not seperate from the government - we elect who we choose to be the government. Mount a big enough protest and the governments will listen...

Food for thought...

42. Posted by Jase007 (Respected Member 8870 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

OK, I get the pont about 'we' are the govement. The problem with that is the people who usually stand for goverment are those who cannot get a real job within industry. They are usually the opnes out for themselves and the least trustworthy. So yes we maqybe the goverment, but that does not really reflect the status of opinion all the time.

43. Posted by TKolb325 (Full Member 197 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

Not to mention, that yes we elect the government based on what they say their opinions are, but really, their decisions are based on what large company is going to fund their next campaign, or fly them in their private jet to the best golf course in key west.....

44. Posted by Jase007 (Respected Member 8870 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

So, in conclusion, we are getting shafted by all,
maybe it's time to bring the power back to the people and give this over used quotation of the "free world" a go.

45. Posted by amanecer (Respected Member 203 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

:)In italy we have the law that bans smoking in public places since last year. Obviously at the beginning there were protests, but (unbelievable!:)) everything has worked, and now we can eat in a restaurant without breathing smoked air between a first course and a second.I'm really happy (it was about time!).Many restaurants and cafes during winter put outside the door a heater (with the shape of a big lamp, I can't explain better..)so that smoker don't ice during their cigarette break.:) It has become a different form of socialization. You can also find some places with smoking area, and I agree with smoking areas, if they are REALLY separated from the no smoking areas (NOT JUST THE BALCONY UPON, like I saw in a cafe..)

I avoid for years some pubs because they was too smoked. It wasn't my free decision: it was a constriction: or you smoke (passive smoke) or you don't go.
For the same reason I avoided a lot of english pubs when I lived there: I didn't consider a place rich of atmosphere a place where the air is so smoked to seem fog.

I don't smoke, and I've lived for years with smokers, without absolutely any problem. But a government CAN'T leave the respect of the other to an individual choice. In the world there will ever be who decide to not respect the other. A government has to protect all the citizens and to not permit some people to provoke damages to others.
We go out in a cafe just for a few hours,but there are people who work there EVERY DAY.

On the other hand, a government should educate people. That a longer and more difficult action, because deals with convincing people to quit smoking, or to do nor start at all, despite of messages from TV etc. which invite you to try, [and often contrasts to the big political interests of tobacco companies.]
It should not be considered only a suggestion, or a ban, in citizens' private life: it's a big cost for entire society, that have to treat (and pay for these treatments) diseases related with smoking (as well as with alcool, bad eating etc).If smoking was really a personal responsability, then also the smoking diseases would be charge on personal responsability (nobody has to pay for that).
We could spend a lot of money trying to find new treatments for deseases still incurable, instead of treat a predictable disease...

[i hope to be clear...I know my english doesn't come out from Oxford university:) , and I hope to haven't said anything in a rude way!In that case, it wasn't my willing]

46. Posted by Jase007 (Respected Member 8870 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

Lau gives some great valid points, but if the fight for those who wish to light up is given in, then the fight for people to be allowed to have an alcoholic drink will then start.
The goverment needs a crusade to take attention on the fact that they are wasteing out tax payers money. like any super power needs an enemy, because without this enemy there is no need for a superpower. In the same vein, the goverment needs to jstify it's extortionate tax take and spend. Can you ever remember or know of when a goverment reduced the overall taxes paid by the indivudal?
This is one reason they won't make tobacco illegal or private cars, they make too much tax on it, and can blame these for all the ills of the economy.
This is a debate that here in the UK was never put to the public, the last election the smoking ban was on those premisis that did not serve food or was a private club, this was changed to a complete ban (both public and private premesis). So in theory, if you work from home you are not allowed to smoke in your own home.
Where will it stop, every avalanche starts with a single snowflake .........

47. Posted by maba (Inactive 227 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

Good subject, I was glad to see amanecer's response because we are going to italy in April & we were not looking forward to sharing our meals with smoke from cigarettes, cigars - what ever.

I guess, if dining 'al fresco', maybe OK but even then, as a smoker you should consider those around you. I find most smokers (not all) just light up because they can, without a thought for those around them. Even mothers with babies & children - yuk.

We enjoy eating outside, but have to watch which direction the smoke blows and seat ourselves accordingly. Oh and... yes, we have the gas heaters in Melbourne too as Laura was explaining so you dont 'ice up'. They make for a loveley ambience on a cool evening.
Laura, I love the way you write, you are making a great effort & we would not be offended as we understand your intention.;)

48. Posted by shorty.p (First Time Poster 1 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

hi my nick name shor if been smoking on and off and been smoking weed annd getting stoned with my friends if lost a hell lot of friends and the old friends i wz chilling with got me in to deep drugz but tha peeps i hang with now if got them in the deep hole im in most of my friends bleed for me to cry but i just feel low i cut my self every time im mad oh bored i go out and stone my ass off and every time i come om from school i hit on eney thing ican get high on :(

49. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4138 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

jase007, I disagree with you about the government having to be on some sort of crusade. For a start, didn't the government just extended the trading hours of pubs in the UK recently?

I think if people want to smoke, they should do so at home, and no where else. I'm sick of my clothes stinking everytime I go out, and going to the beach and seeing cigarette butts in the sand. It's a ridiculous, nonsensical habit, so keep it to yourself.

50. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

I agree with James. No matter how hard people try to be discreet and polite about smoking, nonsmokers inevitabley end up breathing in what they'd rather not. I've been stuck walking behind a smoker numerous times - choking away on their discarded smoke as I try to run up ahead of them to get at the clean air.

If I choose to attend a function where I know people will be smoking, then that's my choice. It should also be my choice to get through a day without ending up with a lungfull of someone else's habit.