Death or life imprisonment?

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11. Posted by mee (Full Member 138 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

Me too, I'm against it (like most austrians). I think it's revenge, and that's no better than killing people for any other stupid reason. It's not even cheaper than to imprison them.

I don't even think it deters people. We don't have the death penalty, the US has. Is there a big difference in how many people commit crimes?
The countries with the death penalty don't solve the main problem. There is a reason why people commit crimes (even though we might not understand them).

12. Posted by vange (Budding Member 43 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

People must be given the chance to live and tell their story. Maybe then, hopefully, by getting a glimpse in their lives, we can understand.
Using legal means to determine the unworthiness of a person seem unnatural in a human psyche. There must be a better way.

13. Posted by tallbird (Respected Member 269 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

Quoting Vlakvark

This discussion begs another question.

If you were in that position, what would you want? Life in prison (without parole)or the death penalty?

Hmmmmm.... difficult one! I would probably go insane being incarcerated for the rest of my life knowing that I would never be released. However I think I would be too much of a coward to face the death penalty!
Best option -stay out of trouble! Or don't get caught!;)

Personally not a great believer in the death penalty either though. The law states that it is a crime to take someone's life (ie murder) , so how can we justify killing convicts?

14. Posted by flo jo (Respected Member 414 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

I know juries can make mistakes, but this time he recognized everything he has been charged with. So his has to go through the death penalty. He is very lucky because all the one who die during the terrorism attack did not get any trial. Am a christian, I know we have to forgive but am really sorry I cant. Think about the families, the relatives, imagine yourself losing you r loved one and you will see that he has to die.

Dont want traumatized anyone, But I dont see any another answer to this question.

15. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

I gotta say - I completely agree with the death penalty being a complete hypocrisy.

If killing is wrong, we can't make it right by killing someone. I was just reading about all the innocent people who were either finally released from death row, or else were only proven innocent after they were hung/shot/humanely injected/etc. That alone is reason enough to abolish the death penalty. There is also a disproportionate number of black people on death row - and most people on death row have been convicted of killing a white person.

I certainly understand how all the grief caused by the guilty party can want to make you send him (cause there are VERY few hers on death row) to the gallows. And Lord knows I'd probably want to convict him myself if he'd done something to my family. But the law is beyond emotion - it is based on logic, facts, and reason. It is made to deter, not for revenge of satisfaction. Lady justice wears her blindfold for a reason.

16. Posted by kellyb78 (Budding Member 58 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

Call me hard faced but I think he should be sentenced to death (an eye for an eye and all that!)I have worked directly within the prison setting and prison these days is way to easy for people like that!
When I think about it, death is also too easy for people filled with that much hate and evil.
If he was sentenced to death then he definately won't be getting what he wanted as he would have wanted to die with innocent victims on his own terms, not on others and the laws say so! Plus if this is what his defence is saying then it has to be reverse psychology as they will always be on the defendants side!
Thats just my thoughts anyway!!

17. Posted by norian (Full Member 71 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

like few people here i'm against death penalty.
It's not an answer anyway, even worse for this guy who's only waiting for becoming a martyr.
He's in his own world very very far from us and from our reality. He need his head examined.

Furthermore it's important for ours societies. What is the position to get on its question ?
What will it change if he'd die ?

18. Posted by BjornParee (Full Member 150 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

Life long is prision (and I mean till death when they are old) is better because people then can think about what they have done and it might not get them in a few years but after 10 - 20 - 30 years they realise what they have done and with no change of getting out they can get a bit crazy.

Ofcourse the prison should not be like a summercamp like the Netherlands (and I think whole Europe, USA and Australia) but more like the famous prison "Hilton Bangkok"

19. Posted by mee (Full Member 138 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!


I think being locked and not being able to decide what to do and where to go, is the worst thing. They suffer enough; Being abused, beaten and so on is just not human (if you think what (s)he did is also not human, you may be right, but we have to act human.)

20. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

Everyone who has responded has posted good replies. The death penalty is a very serious issue and one that should be continually questioned. I, personally, have mixed feeling about having someone put to death for their crimes. I know I would not be able to be the executioner.

But, bringing the discussion back to Zacarias Moussaoui - this is a man who believes in the annihilation of the infidels. He has confessed to his involvement. This is not just attacking the US and/or Britian (because we are all "evil"), but anyone who disagrees with his (and his cohort's) beliefs. Why were there bombings in Instanbul in 2003 and Madrid in 2004, or even Paris as far back as 1995? (But, I digress...)

We all look at this from our own point of reference - that of being good citizens of the world. We can't imagine being in prison for a lifetime, and the death sentence is even more unimaginable. But, for someone who has chosen their course of action and found taking lives an acceptable behavior, no matter what the reasoning, imprisonment/death is not an unacceptable price to pay. I don't believe those two possible scenarios never entered someone's mind when planning attacks the scale of September 11th. Martyrdom and righteousness work in mysterious ways too. Depending on your belief system, the scales of right and wrong can be as blind as the scales of justice.

Zacarias Moussaoui will be a martyr (within his belief system) if put to death. But, he will also be a survivor is given life-in-prison. Prison is not a nice place to be, nor should it be a summer camp for those who break the law in such a way. But, he is also not the neighbor next door who accidentally did something illegal. He was part of a larger plan that killed 3000+ people. This is not a man who will sit in jail and reflect on his wrong-doing. This will be a man who sits in jail, watching his back so someone else doesn't stick a shiv in it. Either the court or another inmate will see that his life ends.