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271. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

Thanks Herr Bert
U have some interesting ideas.

272. Posted by fuchsinrot (Budding Member 31 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

damn this seems like ages ago .... miss it though

273. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!


THERE IS NO GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

274. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

Quoting Mel.


THERE IS NO GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

275. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3383 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

Quoting Mel.


THERE IS NO GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Depends on what you believe. so who is right, u or me;). It will be an endless discussion, so better not start it (again)

276. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

Quoting wouterrr

In addition. It seems that many American choose a leader out of religion. If Bush mutters something about Jesus everyone votes for him. That's crazy. It seems like a theocracy instead of Secularized state. Its almost the Iran of the Christians.

In 1988 Jimmy Swaggart, America's leading televangelist, resigned from his ministry after it was revealed he had been consorting with a prostitute. I think he was giving her severe horizontal unction!!!
In the late 1980's televangelist Jimmy Bakker supposedly made whoopee with his secretary and was indicted on federal charges of fraud, tax evasion, and racketeering.
Those were the shysters, hucksters, grifters, flim-flam men, snake-oil salesmen, Elmer Gantrys (apologies to Burt Lancaster) and crass hypocrites I came to both love and revile.
How I long for those good old days.
Two nights ago I saw a documentary about America's Christian evangelicals called'God on my side'.The doco took Australia's Andrew Denton to the 63rd National Religious Broadcaster's Convention in Gaylord, Texas USA, in February 2006, where more than 6000 Christian communicators gathered.
Why the NRB convention? Why now? Seventy million Americans are born-again Christians. A highly organised, politicised and motivated bloc, they provide more than 40% of President Bush's vote. With an estimated audience of 141 million Americans, the NRB provides key access to this constituency and knows it has a powerful voice.

Their religious convictions/absolutism was disconcerting to say the least, but their perceived power has it's limitations.

The Southern Baptists are stymied by -

1) 600 years of Western social, cultural, philosophical and political progress

2) the First Amendment of the American Constitution which prohibits the establishment of a national religion by Congress or the preference of one religion over another, or religion over non-religion.

3) the sheer diversity of religion and irreligion within American society

The likely contestants for the next Presidency at this time would have to be Hillary Clinton for the Democrats and Rudi Giuliani for the Republicans, and one could hardly accuse either of them as being intent on forcing religious conservatism onto the American people.

The religious right can only propogate the influence of 'Christian' values (family, morality, etc), but there is no such thing as codified 'Christian Law' as opposed to say, primitive Sharia (Islamic) law.
There will be no mutawa (religious police) in the US arresting cheerleaders for immodesty or forcing men to grow beards as the Taliban liked to do.
In fact, the converse seems to be the case.
To quote Omar Ahmad, the co-founder of CAIR (the Council of American-Islamic Relations), "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.".
If the USA is the Iran of the Christians, lets Rock and Ruhollah

Captain Verbosa of the Black Post

[ Edit: Edited on May 30, 2007, at 8:51 AM by wotthefiqh ]

277. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

Ah yes, the good old always makes me a little misty when those who claim the moral high ground fall victim to their own narrow interpretation of religious dogma. I was rather hoping Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson would be next, but I shouldn't be greedy......

Prior to the last presidential election, someone asked me who I was going to vote for. I joked "Thomas Jefferson", but then asked them the same question....."I just want to be safe, so I'm voting for Bush." I asked what they were afraid of, and they replied "terrorism". Did they honestly believe that the little craphole of a town they lived in was even remotely on the radar of potential terrorists? "Yes, I just want to be safe". And here I was hoping for an educated answer....stupid me.

The same concept of crowd control has worked for centuries with religion as well. Keep the people afraid and they will follow you off a cliff if you promise them salvation.

Americans are not particularly different than anyone else in the world....for the most part, we just want to be comfortable in our homes, be free to raise our families as we see fit, and live in abject fear that some crazed religious whacko wants our iPods. Oh, and live la vida loca of rampant consumerism...we need that too. Sure, not everybody is this's a "generalization". But how else can one explain the herd mentality that this great nation has reduced itself to?

It's a pity that existing religions can't get along...I mean really, "my God's better than your God"? Perhaps if we picked them apart and chose the most humane parts of each and founded a new religion.....hmmmm, how about "Chrislam Judee-Budee"? No, probably wouldn't work, someone will always try to exert influence over others in a desperate attempt to prove that they have a large penis.

Lovely world we live in.

278. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3383 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!


279. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3383 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

hey wotthefiq. u always come up with a lot of info. interested in history? or is that an understatement. btw; fiq = islamic law (shariah).....a reason for that? or is it just coincidence.

[ Edit: Edited on May 30, 2007, at 12:46 PM by wouterrr ]

280. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1388 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

there is no such thing as codified 'Christian Law' as opposed to say, primitive Sharia (Islamic) law.

Not that fast:

Most of the lawbooks and constitutions of the so called Western world are based on Christian rules, and by no-means you can say that the Sharia is primitive. That would be highly depending on which sharia you are talking about, as there is also no thing as one sharia, that is equal in every Islamic country, because that would depend in which Islamic movement is in power in that country.

So I believe both statements are at least a little bit desides the truth.

I have to agree with beerman. If you see enough of the world, you will see that all people in the world face the same problems, the same fears and the same wishes. You just want a good life for yourself, your partner, you want the best for your children. You worry about your mortgage and the health of your family. It's not the needs and worries of the people that change ... it's just the scenery.

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