What is your glacier doing?

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31. Posted by Purdy (Travel Guru 3549 posts) 17y Star this if you like it!

Cheers Mark - l was on the climatecares.org website earlier this afternoon and found it really interesting - lve learnt what l can do and l have offset my trip to New Zealand - cost only £42.87!

Ive even taken up the gaunlet in my office (was at 2 seminars this week where global warming was key) to see if the company can do something about offsetting carbon emissions on a corporate level! Ive even written an article for our company magizine! Oh hark at me the global warming warrior, but its something lm starting to get really interested in!

32. Posted by samham (Budding Member 26 posts) 17y Star this if you like it!

Thank you so much to those of you that have shown support for this thread. I have gotten a few messages from people that obviously don't understand the extent of this problem, either forwarding random "facts" or just downright not willing to accept that we are screwing up our world. I believe it is important to be informed about all aspects of such a controversial topic, and your opinions are valuable, that's why I wanted to know more by creating this thread.
So just a little background on myself and why I believe that global warming is an undeniable truth. I work around ecological scientists in the Antarctic, but back home I work on boats that really aren't helping the climate change cause. So back home I have always described global warming as climate change, as most people seem ok to hear that terminology. But, what I really mean by climate change is global warming, as the average global temperatures are increasing, and this is causing a secondary effect of cooling in certain areas. I am not saying that it is not part of a natural cycle, but I am saying that we are accelerating the disturbance. I believe that most people don't want to admit that global warming is occurring because they don't want to make the necessary changes in their lifestyle to at least slow their impact on the environment. Sure, technology might save us from the mistakes we have made, but why take those risks? And why is it such a bad thing to care about your impact on the environment? So I still try to persuade as many people as I know to believe in global warming as they won't otherwise have a reason to change their ways, except that being environmentally conscious is cheaper than sticking inline with the habits you grew up with.

33. Posted by Emmalineau (Full Member 94 posts) 17y Star this if you like it!

This is a great thread!

Think it's pretty hard to refute the science of global warming - thousands of climatologists the world over have pretty strong evidence that our consumption of the earth's resources not only deplete the earth but create wider problems. WHat's scary is thinking of the tipping point - the point of nor return. Are we seeing that now? This has got to be the defining issue of my generation (that would be Gen Y!)

On a slight, almost side issue....

Quoting Brendan

The second part is meat production. The amount of pollution created by raising animals for slaughter is on par with the scenario above. Water pollution, air pollution, etc.

We're having a pretty major drought in Aus at the moment and I read in The Age a few weeks ago that is takes 10,000 litres of water to get a kilogram of beef to the table! 10,000 litres! I love meat as much as the next non-vegietarian but maybe, despite buying local and organic, I really should cut back?

Think one of our good solutions could be: think local, buy local. Support and contribute to local habitats, buy your food from markets where the people selling it can tell you where it came from, write to local government and tell them to get their ass into gear. I guess it's something....

34. Posted by Eleniki (Full Member 125 posts) 17y Star this if you like it!

Quoting Purdy

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting Purdy

I watched Al Gores "An Inconvenient Truth" recently and that really made me sit up and take note - glacier changes (ie shrinking) are taking place at a rapid pace - and it is within my life time

haha Al Gore.... He has a huge house and he uses a lot of electricity. Actualy 20 times more then normal. Al gore is fake!!! This is the source

Al Gore may not practice what he preaches but the facts about gobal warming and how we are harming the planet are nonetheless real even if he is a fake.

Find out your facts before you believe everything you see on sky news - think about it, all the media wants are headlines, and you swallow them all. Al Gore uses electricity from sustainable sources only. You don't seriously think he would produce such a documentary and then live openly in a way that completely negates everything he is trying to put across? Please, just scratch a little deeper - you may get a BIT closer to the truth.

35. Posted by HafJafMark (Respected Member 291 posts) 17y Star this if you like it!

I think a lot of the apathy towards Global Warming is that people get the impression that its hopeless and theres nothing we can do. With a little research its pretty obvious that this catastrophe can be averted, and quite easily. Its just tiny things, like turning appliances off at the socket (rather than the off button, which leaves them on standby), using reusable bags rather than disposable ones. Australia has recently made energy efficient lightbulbs compulsory - estimated to cut their emmissions by 5%! Such a simple thing, yet there doesnt seem to be any political will else where.

A petition on the Downing Street Website can be found here to ban them in the UK (you must be a British citizen to sign it) http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/banbadbulbs/

I wrote to my MP suggesting that instead of this usless tax that Gordon Brown has levied on flights, a better solution would be to force people to offset. It would cost less than the tax, allowing airlines to boom, and overnight all UK flights would be carbon neutral.

Fixing Climate change would be sooo easy given political will. All it takes is a series of small gestures, like the lightbulbs.., or like Irelands charging for plastic bags.. or offsetting your travel.. It doesnt take a major change in life style.. just a little more effort and awareneness.

After all we fixed an environmental problem before - the CFC's. Theres no reason why it cant be done again.

36. Posted by Eleniki (Full Member 125 posts) 17y Star this if you like it!

Yes, it seems like the thing to do, turning off sockets, using energy efficient lighting and re-usable bags, and of course, RE-CYCLING. But here, we seem to have a problem. I have two brothers who are chemists, one of whom is a hazardous waste-disposal consultant. He swears that incineration is a more environmentally safe option for rubbish disposal, and I am beginning to see his point. Plastics, for example, are oil-based, and burned at a sufficiently high temperature are rendered harmless. It's burning them and other materials at domestic bonfire temperatures that does real damage. People react emotionally to words like 'incinerator' but often these are the very people who will dispose of used tyres etc in their back fields... A sad fact about re-cycling, certainly in Ireland, where we have a fairly progressive attitude to and awareness of the global warming issues, is that we cannot know for sure what happens to our carefully re-cycled materials. We know a percentage is shipped abroad, to China among other countries, and it doesn't take a genius to guess what the next step in the process there might be. There is not much in the way of quality control in the people's republic. Another passing of the buck. As for off-setting carbon emissions - is this not a bit like saying 'Fine, I like killing whales, but I'll make up for it by giving money to Concern's work with starving children in Africa'. I don't know - the two seem somehow unrelated, and a bit of a cop-out, in a uniquely western world approach, ie. throwing money at the problem makes it go away. There is of course no answer, unless it were possible to step back a century or more. China is on an un-stoppable course now, comparable only with the U.S. in its shocking emissions score, opening a new coal-fired power station at a rate of one a week at the moment. And this is only the beginning - what about when china's citizens start to have cars for domestic use? The same goes for India. It's a tough moral dilemma we face, but at the same time, I do think we will find a way through it. We have to.

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 9, 2007, at 4:49 PM by Eleniki ]

37. Posted by madpoet (Respected Member 415 posts) 17y Star this if you like it!

I think it's obvious global warming is a problem, but how big of a problem is debatable.
You know, when I was growing up in Canada, I didn't think too much about environmental problems. But now, after living in China for 4 years, I've breathed the most polluted air on the planet, drank water (boiled) with dangerously high levels of, well, just about everything- and frankly, it's scary what we are doing to this world. In developed countries, we worry about carbon emissions because they might cause global warming- in China and India, they worry about carbon emissions because they're choking on them.
What am I doing about it? In all my English conversation classes, environmental problems- and solutions- are our main topic. And my students usually have some fairly strong views on the subject. I also try to set a good example by putting garbage in the trash can- not just throwing it on the street, which is the common practice here. A small thing, but a start.

38. Posted by dukepa (First Time Poster 1 posts) 17y Star this if you like it!

Of course there is global warming-That is obvious-look at the history of glaciers receding since the 1880's. The question is ----What if any human contribution is causing any effect????? I know that no cars were around in the 1880's the to have any effect. Go look at the
Alaskan glacial history DOCUMENTED RECORDS
What was causing this effect in the 1880's, certainly not the exhaust from automobiles.
As for the traveling thing, I love to travel as much as anybody, It is not where you have been but your PATH-Enjoy each any every day people,
for the world has like 20 or so conflicks and those people would just like to believe they will be alive in the morning.
Enjoy every breath you take whereever you are

"For all that has happened, THANKS
To all that shall be, YES"

Dag Hammerskjold


39. Posted by Eleniki (Full Member 125 posts) 17y Star this if you like it!

Peter, you advise us to "Enjoy every breath you take whereever you are"

Hmmmm, that's all very well, but what if every breath you take chokes you, like madpoet describes just above?

[ Edit: Edited on Mar 11, 2007, at 7:12 AM by Eleniki ]

40. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3383 posts) 17y Star this if you like it!

"enjoy every breath", sound like someone is converted to a hippie