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141. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1388 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

Quoting stuthkfl

don't worry, if you put death penalty, less crime will be commited ;)

Compare US en EU murderfigures, and you will find that it is a statement you can't uphold, because it is simply not true.

142. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

Quoting Mel.

Quoting stuthkfl

This may be because of concern from the EU, about the methods the Turkish authorities may use, to extract the information from the terrorists, who were captured.
It has been reported, by various human rights organisations, that Turkish authorities violate the human rights of Kurdish people. If Belgium and France hand over these prisoners, to a country, where their human rights stand a high possibility of being violated, then Belgium and France would be guilty of violating human rights codes.

The following is a cut and paste from this link.
Conscientious objectors
The issue of conscientious objectors is highly controversial in the country. Turkey and Azerbaijan are the only members of the Council of Europe that refuse to recognize the right to conscientious objection. In January 2006, the European Court of Human Rights ruled that Turkey had violated Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights that prohibits degrading treatment in a case dealing with conscientious objection.[17]

this laws regulate the mandatory military service, not reletad what I've written

143. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

thank you dear audiences!!
I'll be in London next week, hugs and kisses!

144. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1388 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

Quoting stuthkfl

Quoting Mel.

Quoting stuthkfl

Yes I've heard that many Turkish companies has suspended their relations with Danish companies. Just 1 month before, one of my friend has cancelled their contract with a Danish company and made a new contract with Chinese one.

Does Turkey have better relations, with a torture dictatorship, than it does with the EU? That is sad sad sad, that u cannot see what is wrong with that.
I am even holding out hopes, that the EU and US industries will stop trading with countires like China. I am hoping our governments will put pressure on them. But, even if that does happen, I suppose there will be industries, in less ethical countries, which will take our places. It is a sad world we live in.

People find China more ethical than Denmark ;) in Turkey

Tibet? just an example ...

145. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

Quoting stuthkfl

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to lie. The EU believes that there is enough proof, that the genocide took place. Denying it would be the equivalent of denying that the Holocost took place.

well what will they do then? will they arrest the Turkish President as well? even you're asking for Kurdish people's opinions don't you? how did they become sure without holding a conference asking what Turkish thesis are saying? then let's we put a law which is saying France has did a genocide against Algeria; and put all the French People living in Turkey in jail because of their ideas!

There were enough witnesses and reports to indicate that the Armenian genocide took place. Since this is the case, it is considered hate mongering, rather than freedom of speech, if some people continue, to deny it. Also, if they are denying that the genocide took place, are they not recognising the need for the Armenians to have rights and freedom from persecution? Will they deny all injustices, against this group? The EU consider it necessary, for the Turkish government, to realize, that the Armenians were and possibly are not being treated fairly.;)

146. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

Quoting stuthkfl

how can you define it as "lie"? how much did you searched it before describing all Turkish people supporting their own thesis? if Armenia is sure about their thesis has enough proof, why they're not attending Turkish Historian's invitations for History conferences?

Maybe, they have heard enough, about the genocide not haven taken place, and no longer believe Turkey have anything valid, to contribute to this topic. That is my guess.;)

147. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

Quoting Herr Bert

If you can't see any other way out, and government is not willing to discuss your wishes, as you are just a minority, could fighting be the way to have your voice heared, and to ultimately be the only way to get the government to talk with you, and to take you serious.

I mean, without IRA/SinnFein, would the Catholics in Northern Ireland have been taken seriously. Another example: Tibet didn't fight, and see what is left of their culture and country.

The IRA were violently active, for around 50 years. The north of Ireland is still ruled, by the British government. Does that answer your question? I think violence is useless.
I think what is effective, is for groups to express their needs peacefully, and consistently. The political climate and society is constantly changing, to meet the needs of people. At least that is how it happens, in democratic countries. But it only happens, if we make these needs become acceptable, by expressing them peacefully, until they are the accepted beliefs, in society.;)

148. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

Quoting stuthkfl

Why did they not want to watch the Kurdish language broadcasts? Maybe, they would find them more interesting, if they were allowed, to broadcast what they want, instead of having topics, which are of no interest to them, broadcasted for them.

you're coming closer to my point that I'm trying to show you since the beginning!!! because they are not asking for rights!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they're asking for Kurdistan!!!! since the beginning,


I think they might want, Kurdistan, and rights.;)

149. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

maybe Scandinavia continue to accept them as immigrant, but not with a Turkish passport please... because it's so weird to heard a news like, a "Turkish" drug seller has arrested in Paris. it has learned that he was wanted by Turkish government with suspect of financially help to PKK.

if they find themselves more free in European countries, kurdish comminities may start to celebrate nevruz festivals by jumping on fires in the middle of squares, roads.. or may hold pkk militans funerals in that cities aswell..

unfortunately, Turkey as rude as break those militans carrion on mountains to feed the crows.

you can see that what will they do if those people have a little bit opportunity to govern themselves. just talk to a Iraqi guy. they even don't want to go their embassies today. both the president and prime minister of Iraq are kurdish leaders and all the embassies of Iraq are full of kurdish personel, which treate to other than kurdish citizens as an animal.

I'm interesting more cool topics anymore, sorry for Armenian and Kurdish community in or around Turkey.. anybody welcomes to follow "peace in world - peace in country" motto of Turkey. God bless others please.

150. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

Quoting Herr Bert

As I posted before, there is a thin line between terrorists and freedomfighters.

Wouldnt freedomfighters use non violent methods, as opposed to terrrorists who use violent methods?