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1. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

hi again, I'm planning my eurotrip which begins from Denmark and ends in Turkey. I'm planning to use Interrail 10 flexy in 22 days pass. However, I couldn't decide which route I'll select.

I'll write the places that I've put in each route profile and please make a comment about your views from those cities.

amsterdam rotterdam gent brugge brussels paris is standart;
after this,

profile a) madrid, barcelona, marseille, cannes, monte carlo,venice, bologna, florence, pisa, roma, *
advantages: south france seems amazing, will my first spain experience
disadvantages: there isn't any connection from barcelona to marseille, because of the long distances I'm using night trains a lot which costs a bit more.

profile b) madrid, barcelona, geneva, lausanne, bern, zurich, florence, pisa, roma, *
advantages: Glacier Express seems amazing! , lausanne is an important city in Turkish history, because of the Conference of Lausanne
disadvantages: I'm paying for flight ticket, about 27€+shuttle only for Barcelona but I guess, it'd cost same for any bus ticket from barcelona to marseille, comparing 1st programme. I have to pass Venice because of the train hours and day restrictions.

profile c) strasbourg, stuttgart, munich, salzburg, vienna, venice, bologna, florence, pisa, roma, *
advantages: many fast trains don't ask any supplement charga in Germany and Austria. There are a lot of nice beaches in Turkey like in Barcelona or South France but there aren't any Porche Factory! I guess Vienna will be a bit cheaper, also German cities too; comparing west Europe. this profile also gives me one extra day! and the has the cheapest extra fees!! I love you Germany!!
disadvantages:I've already been to Germany by Berlin and Hamburg, in case of Country soul it won't be a new experience. Although the advantage that I've just said, I worry about if I will be sorry missing south France or not...

  • is the end of my route, which is rome, bari, patras, athens, thessaloniki, istanbul!!

I'll update my web page and you'll see the all alternatives, details as well...

thanks for your dear comments in advance!

2. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3290 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

Profile C:

Swap Stuttgart for either Tuebingen or Ludwigsburg. Both are small charming cities nearby. Stuttgart is similar to Munich and you got way too many big cities in your initiary already. (The main attraction of Stuttgart is the opportunity to meet Turks without going to Turkey.)

Other possible, great sights half-way on your route are Rothenburg ob der Tauber, Heidelberg and Hohenzollern castle.

You should also consider a visit to Dachau and Neuschwanstein castle (Germany's biggest tourist trap, IMO). Both are nearby Munich.

Another nice place to visit (especially in summer) is Passau.

Passau is very popular with Japanese and American package tourists who use it as a starting point for Danube river cruises to Vienna. It is a very very nice town. I can highly recommend attending an organ concert and staying at Veste Oberhaus Youth Hostel - it is a genuine castle overlooking Passau that was converted into a Youth Hostel.

One note: Southern Germany is very different from Northern Germany. The contrast between open-minded Hamburg and deeply conservative Tuebingen couldn't be greater. Berlin is crazy, young, hip and artsy and Munich is high-society, traditional and village-like. The landscape also is very different.

[ Edit: Edited on Apr 12, 2007, at 7:13 PM by t_maia ]

3. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

thanks for your suggestions, especially Neuschwanstein Castle seems amazing! I've found the train stations nearby them but what's the closest station to the castle? I couldn't find for it...

do mercedes museum in stuttgart and bmw museum in munich have an enterance fee or are they free?
please more comments on this topic!! don't be lazy!!!

4. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1388 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

to get rid of one disadvantage on profil a:

Clickair and Iberia, are flying the route Barcelona - Marseille (Iberia starts this route at 21st of June). I know that Iberia is not regarded as a budget airline, but for a lot of route, they are charging good prices. (Barcelona - Nice, is a No-No). You could also reverse to Barcelona (cheap ticket with Vueling will cost 20/31 euros) and fly with RyanAir to Marseille from Madrid.

If you are interested in the Muslim history of Spain, you should head further south to Sevilla and Granada. But if you stick to Madrid, then be sure to take a trip to Toledo. It's one of the places, where you can find influences of Christianity, Muslim and Jewish beliefs in one city. Besides that the old town is amazing.

One last tip, try to see where you want to go first, before commiting to a railpass, a lot of times planes will be a good/better alternative.

5. Posted by stuthkfl (Budding Member 115 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

Hi Herr, honestly I've found seville and cordoba really nice to visit. there's a railline from madrid to cordoba and seville but there isn't from barcelona.

ryan air is flying to milan and pisa, which is useless to see barcelona and south france.

iberia has a flight from barcelona to marseille but it's 53€
click air destination map says that it's flying between barcelona and marseille, however, when I choose marseille it brings malaga instead

some days, ryan air is flying to marseille from madrid just for 16.4€

the reason why I'm trying to get an interrail pass is, places I want to see are so spread. for example, if I come brussels; I'll use trains to go brugge again. and I'll stay at a friend in gent.

then probably I'll use train again to amsterdam.. or in italy, I may visit venice (it's hard to find a cheap flight to there in summer season) then roma. but in this case, I'm passing all florance pisa and bologna. although I'll see those cities in a really short time, mostly it'll be enough to get the major attractions.

seeing the canal in florence and tower in pisa in one day is enough, on the other hand, I'll feel soul of italy in rome during 3 days ;)

and the worst thing is, there aren't a lot cheap flights to Turkey. cheapest one from milan and it's about 50€ even to benefit from that, I should cancel many cities in south italy and whole greece.

but of course I'm open to cheap flights to save one day from my pass, and see more cities. ;)

6. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1388 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

Well 50 euros for a ticket from Marseille to Barcelona for me a bargain, as it is much cheaper than the p2p-ticket, and much faster than the train.

Using your pass, for short bits like Brussels to Gent, Gent - Brugges, is basicly a waist of money, you will be much better off getting normal p2p-tickets, at least for this bit. It better to save up, the days to spend on your pass, for the long rides (or the costly ones).

I am also a bit worried, that you will be spending more time in the train than actualy spending time in cities. Florence and Pisa in one day, is just enough to get a glimpse of both. Fair enough for Pisa, that's most likely enough. It's the tower, and the old center. Half a day is enough for most travelers that go there, but getting to Florence to get in, and out, is in my opinion pointless. If you want to see this city, and what it has to offer in ways of architecture, arts and like you say it, soul, you need much more, than just a glimpse. 3 days would be a better bet. The same for Rome. It's maybe the most important city in Western-European history, and it has so much to offer (not to mention waiting lines), that 3 days is not enough, 4-5 days would be much better.

In my opinion, people should always expect to return to Europe, and don't want to see everything in one go. It's better to spend time in places to experience the feel of the place, instead of running around, and seeing just a little. How do I put this gently: it's a little bit like sex, you can be done in 5 minutes, and it will be fun, but you can also take all night, which is much better.

P.S. I would leave out Rotterdam, unless you would have a special reason to go there I would skip it.