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11. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

Quoting Mel.

Quoting flo jo

As we are talking about this. The official language of Andorra is catalan and only catalan. Sorry i could not change it directly on the site.

Yeah, I think the list of languages given for Italy is dubious, too.

12. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

I'll get dr.pepper to comment on the languages. If I recall correctly, these were sourced from two pretty reliable sources in this area, but things could have changed since that data was collected. Probably another one of those things that needs to actually become wiki content (feel free to add things like this directly in the content too actually!).

13. Posted by dr.pepper (Travel Guru 316 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

The languages listed are mostly based on information I got from the CIA factbook. Their info for Andorrahas changed: now lists Catalan (official), French, Castilian, Portuguese. Lonely Planet lists the same except Portuguese. Wikipedia shows only Catalan but has a footnote that says Spanish, French, Portuguese and English are also spoken.

Based on those sources of information, I have changed the languages to say:
Catalan (official). French, English, Spanish and Portuguese also spoken.

I will copy this discussion over to the Andorran discussion page, so if you want to make further suggestions or comments, leave them there. To get there, go to the Andorra guide and click Discuss.

I'll reply to the Italy question over on the Italy discussion page :)

[ Edit: Edited on May 15, 2007, at 2:53 PM by dr.pepper ]

14. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

Looks like the sourses u have list all the languages spoken, in the countries, rather than what the official languages are. I suppose communities of immigrants from various places would speak different languages other than the official languages of the country.;)
For Example, that would mean that German, English, Turkish (maybe others) are the languages of Germany.

[ Edit: Edited on May 16, 2007, at 12:13 AM by Mel. ]

15. Posted by Peter (Admin 6611 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

They're not so much 'all' the languages spoken in a country. But they're also not just the 'official' language either. In the case of Andorra, supposedly "Spanish, French, and Portuguese residents make up 67.7% of the population"! I think that that is sufficient reason to list those languages alongside Catalan. I'm not sure that English is justified as an inclusion, although perhaps Andorra's status as a tax haven has drawn more English speakers.

Interestingly, on a side note, according to Wikipedia Andorra is one of only two countries that "never signed the EU Treaty that guarantees the democratic right to freedom of language". The other is France.

16. Posted by angela_ (Respected Member 1732 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

The new population number for Iceland is 309.699 as of April 2007.
I would also like to point out that in Iceland the only language spoken, officially, is Icelandic. Not Icelandic, English and German.

17. Posted by Peter (Admin 6611 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

Ok Angela, that's done. Couldn't find any good reason to include German / English in there either, so removed them both.

I was looking at the ethnologue though and it mentions Danish as being the first language for about 2500 people in Iceland. Now, normally that would be a negligible amount, but considering the total population of Iceland, I wonder if it is worth including.

Although Wikipedia just refers to it as a 'prominent foreign language' along with English, so maybe it's not worth adding.

18. Posted by dr.pepper (Travel Guru 316 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

As Peter said, the languages listed are supposed to be reflective of languages which are widely spoken in the country, or spoken by many people in a specific region (as the languages listed under Italy reflect), not just the official ones. Obviously it's a pretty fine balancing act to know which ones should be included and which ones shouldn't... Hence the use of various sources such as Lonely Planet, CIA and Wikipedia...

This is the way we've been doing it so far, but I'm open to suggestions. Do people think we should only list the official languages?


19. Posted by flo jo (Respected Member 414 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

If you wrote down all the languages which are spoken in the country you are right about Andorra.
Andorrans represents 36% of the population
Spanish 34%
Portuguese 16%
French 6%
Others 8%

Which explain why so many languages are spoken in Andorra. However the official language is catalan even if only a small part of the population speaks it.

20. Posted by angela_ (Respected Member 1732 posts) 11y Star this if you like it!

I would say that Icelandic is the only language spoken in Iceland. However, we learn Danish in school as a second language, so most people speak at least some Danish.