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11. Posted by mtlchica (Respected Member 922 posts) 14y Star this if you like it!

Work and and work...a subject that has been on my mind almost endlessly over the past few months. (I appologize in advance for a babble-ridden rant, I'm having sleep issues, lol)

It sucks being in a position where I don't have much experience in the career-related job front(ie: what I got my degree in), yet want to travel for months without looking back. Then, when I get back home...hey look at that, no more experience than before and still no job. Travelling is such a wonderful experience and it kills me to have to suck it up and try and find that special job for me - with both debt and working as a part-time fill-in entry-level position at a company that I'd eventually like to work at encompancing my financial life at the moment. Then I'm thinking...if they do have an opening and I take it...when will be the next time I have the oppurtunity to travel in length again? I can't quit after 6 months or a year and expect them to hold my job for me, they're not that type of company (I don't think any places are anyways). I think the only way I can fulfill my travel habit is if I get a 9-5 deally to pay the bills untill I get something career-oriented. Even then, probably won't get more than 2 weeks off.....sigh...guys...I feel your pain!

Flex time is wonderful...I had that at a summer office job when I was 18. I wasn't supposed to get time off, but because of the wonderful gods of flex ( ;) ), I had a few long weekends! Woo hoo! I've also done the 9-5 dealy, which is heck on earth.

I agree with what a few of you said about the good vs. the bad. If there wasn't anything bad, how could we measure the good? Kinda like in sports...we have top athletes who score a lot (in hockey let's say, 50 goals a season). If everyone scored 50 goals a season, they would be considered average, but because some score 4, 5 or even none, then it's seen as a great feat.

I guess Mike, to answer your initial question, I'd love to put myself away from the grind. If I could have a life of travelling that would be great! I'd love to work for an airline and just pick up an go however many times a year with however many buddy passes I get....I can see it now.... (or even better, win an outlandish amount of money in the lotto and pick up and go whenever I choose, lol) I guess I just hate being cramped up in an office (or indoors at all, actually) ... I think it just makes me want to travel more! And Mike, if you ever run for political office with the platform of free shelter, water and food, you've got my vote! ;)

Katie ;)

12. Posted by GregW (Travel Guru 2635 posts) 14y Star this if you like it!

hael0 said, "Somewhere along the line of our history, some jerk decided to charge us for the right to have a roof over our heads."

It's not like our distant ancestors didn't have to work for a living. They had to go out and hunt for food, build a fire, tend to their crops, fend off bears, etc. The concept of a two day weekend is still relatively new.

We probably have more lesiure time now then any other people in history, and more ability to travel and see the world than ever before. I can hardly complain that I need to put a few hours in doing mental drudgery 5 days a week for all the benefits of free time that it gives me. I get to sleep in (at least compared to the farmer who has to get up before first light to slop the pigs) and knock off early (as compared to the farmer, again, who needs to be out in his field until last light).

13. Posted by hael0 (Full Member 31 posts) 14y Star this if you like it!

hey Katie, I think I'm sort of in your position. I go off and see the world, only to come back to start working again at some crappy, degrading entry-level job. Too bad worldly experience doens't count as work experience. ;)

Oh and when I mentioned that jerk in our collective past that capitalized us and our easy going life before hand, I was speaking about our distant ancestors the Foragers and Collectors (aka the Hunters and Gatherers) My degree is in Anthropology and I can say with a modicum of authority that these people had much more leisure time than present day humans. "Working" an average of 3 to 4 hours a day, depending on climate region. (As an example, I just got back from a tropical fram in Costa Rica, which was really no more than a few building in the rainforest. It took me no more than an hour to find enough food to fill my belly for the day, with plenty of left-overs!)

I hate bringing this up though, because everyone imediatly pictures a "cave man" and the comment: "What, would have us living in caves again?!" soon follows.

I believe my question focused more on the viability of jobs and working (as we presently understand these terms) in a post oil-peak world. I'm going to start a new thread for this one though, it goes deep, but I think its time for some serious discussion.


14. Posted by GregW (Travel Guru 2635 posts) 14y Star this if you like it!

Of course, a hunter / gather lifestyle couldn't possibly support the number of humans that currently exist on the planet today. We'd have to get rid of a whole whack of us before we could comfortably live as hunter / gathers again.

All we need is one good nuclear war...

Hmmm, maybe not.

15. Posted by hael0 (Full Member 31 posts) 14y Star this if you like it!

Very true Greg. Theres a limit every environment has for sustaining life indefinately, and we're well past that line. (In fact theres actually a whole graphing system for it.) And we all know what happens to creatures that overpopulate and consume all of their environments resources....

nukes won't be necessary. But lets not talk about wmds' , theres something else f--ked up to rave about.


16. Posted by worldromer (Budding Member 3 posts) 14y Star this if you like it!

Too much whining vis a vis 9-5 whilst the few view life more positively as 11-1 (work 11 travel 1). As an early retiree here's at least on perspective 'looking back' over my shoulder.

Spent a few extra years for a degree that gave me portability (moved from NY to California) and freedom from the office 2-3 days a week. Horded vacation, then begged borrowed for more vacation time since TIME is that dear commodity we all cherish. Finally up to five weeks per year used wisely with major holidays (nine days for Thanksgiving using three work days) So we were off on one or two week trips each 90 days for YEARS. And this inlcuded two trips to China, two photo safaris in Kenya and Tanzania, four trips to Moorea, 20 trips to Maui, New Zealand, Israel-Egypt-Jordan, 6 scuba diving trips to Cozumel and countless visits to London, Paris etc.

Dictated my first travel guide ( while driving in the company car. That was my way of combining work time and travel.

When I did change jobs the negotiated deal included a 'matching' of my vacation time. None of this start again with two weeks crap on each new job.

Hey, maybe forget about travel and work on killing the 9-5 crappy lifetime job. Who knows. Another few years of school can do wonders with a little vision, foresight and a major GOAL. And what better goal than a LIFETIME SANS 9-5 X 7

And what an end game....early retirement's given us license to travel three months on and three months off per year these past 5 years, traveling FREE around the globe from Lake Baikal (Irkutsk Siberia) to
Cape Horn and beyond.

My two travel guides opened awesome doors, like filming on the Nile and filming the first Americans to cruise the word's largest lake Baikal.
We often spend a month Island hopping in Greece. See video clips on our author's web site from Around the Word filming for Excit@Home.
And much of this was the result of dictating a manuscript while driving on the job! Let your imaginations and your goals take flight. Most barriers are meant to be breached.

Anyway....Happy Travels.....

17. Posted by BasiaAlm (Full Member 61 posts) 14y Star this if you like it!

I must say I really can't understand this lament about working, boring 9-5 and work vs travel attitude. Work is life, it does not have to be boring if you know what you like doing and do what you like. And if you like travelling choose jobs that allow travel.

How do you choose what to study if you don't know what you want to do after you finish college? And the Orwellian boot stomping capitalist system, hey, I grew up in trully orwellian communism and believe me any capitalist system is better than that. Communist was the only system that kept me imprisoned in one country and forced me to "defect" to leave my family, friends and everyting I owned to be free to travel and to work in a capitalim system, which allowed me to choose work that was meaningful and paid well enough to travel. I don't see why you have to whine and what do you actually whine about.

18. Posted by bluewaav (Inactive 627 posts) 14y Star this if you like it!

Hello everyone,

First and foremost, being a Canadian, I have to say that I never want to hear another Canadian complain about only getting 2 weeks vacation a year! Anyone in Canada who has a real job knows that you get an average 5 weeks paid vacation a year- even my Dad, who worked for 2 years as a janitor, got 5 weeks of paid vacation. And if you work in the service industries and your boss refuses to hold your job for you when you decide to take a vacation for more than a month, you have the absolute right to quit. Then you move to either Calgary or Edmonton when you come back to Canada, because there are so many jobs in the service industries in Alberta right now that even Winners has high turnover. And I GUARANTEE you that you will have a job in a week provided that you apply EVERYWHERE YOU CAN WORK.

BTW, nobody charges you for rights in Canada.

"what jobs can we get that won't destroy our souls?"

Any job that doesn't require back-breaking labour.

As for the rest of it, as long as you have parents and you haven't permanently moved out, you can always come home with 30 bucks in the bank and survive, unless you have a cell phone. And that will help you save like mad to travel because they will likely not charge you a lot of rent, or if you are really lucky or spoiled, none. If, however, you feel pathetically too old to not be living on your own, or if their problems are making you depressed, or if they are abusive and threaten to kick you out, or you are married and have kids, then you have to, unfortunately, be enslaved to the rent machine. But really, if you want to, you will discover that you can live way within your means when you realise how little you need to live in the first place.

About the 9 - 5, try night shifts.

Mike, you aren't frustrated, you're anxious. You don't need to go far to travel. Just travel until you run out of money in your own backyard (or take enough for the time you have (knowing how much it'll cost you to get home), but put it into another chequing account and only take that debit card). Then save for a really big trip, as far and wide as you think you need to go. Do constant research to keep you inspired and help you learn about travel. Read someone's blog about their trip that is similar to the one you want to take and post specific questions on this site if you have any (most likely, you will). If you need inspiration on where you want to go, or you want a life changing experience, read "Travel That Can Change Your Life." Before you go on your big trip, sell your car, give up your appartment, sell your furniture if it is expensive, if it isn't, then donate it to charity, donate everything that you are not going to bring and leave 15% room in your pack for stuff you will want to bring back. Give your vital info to a trusted person in your life and memorize their phone, fax, email, and write it down in several places.

Man, water is only free in the mountains. You've got my vote in Nepal.

Good is always immeasurable. Bad is the only thing you should measure. And your hockey example does not make sense.

And that's my ten cents.



19. Posted by stevieh (Respected Member 615 posts) 14y Star this if you like it!

Wow, hael0, that's profound.
While I agree with you in principle, don't make the mistake of thinking water is free!
It's perfectly easy to get free water. Take a container to your nearest river, fill it and drink it. That's what people have done for thousands of years.
But if you want water that hasn't had a dead sheep lying in it for a week and has been checked for giardia and legionella, then you have to pay for that privelege. There is a reason our life-expectancy is higher these days!
I stayed in a 4 star hotel in Beijing and the room info stated that all water must be boiled before drinking, as it contains amoebic dysentery. That's with you for life. Would you risk that if I said you didn't have to pay for it?
Anyway, back to work. Having spent 12 years post-college working for other people, I find the thought of that repulsive now. I think you reach a point in life when you realise you can do as good a job as your boss or better, so why shouldn't you?
I intend to spend the rest of my time working for myself in some form or other, so that at least all the hard work I put in rewards me directly. I think you should think about it too.
Back in the days when water was free for all, people may not have had jobs, but they didn't know where there next meal was coming from and so that's what they did all day.
Maybe that makes us happier.
In Nepal, I noticed how stinky, dirty, and poor a place it is, but how happy the people are. It's a place where the human spirit thrives.
What you've never had you don't miss.

20. Posted by kody (Respected Member 234 posts) 14y Star this if you like it!

Just came about this page:

What do you think ladies and gentlemen?


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