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11. Posted by magykal1 (Travel Guru 2026 posts) 10y Star this if you like it!

It's one of these situations where one side or the other have to turn the other cheek for it to stop. I can't see it happening in the near future, there's too much bitterness on both sides.

Quoting beerman

Oh, and while your'e on your soapbox Kombizz, perhaps you could tell us all how your beloved Iran is helping the downtrodden people of the region? Are they making any effort to bring about peace? No, they are calling for the destruction of Israel. How nice for them. My feelings go out to the many people in Iran who do not support the insanity of their government.

I'm not a fan of the current Iranian administration, however I do believe that Ahmeninejad was possibly misquoted when he apparently called for Israel to be 'wiped off the map'. The remark he made could also be translated to say something like 'the current Israeli administration shouldn't be allowed in government'. Tactless perhaps, but not as incendiary as what he was purported to have said. Regardless of whether or not it was correct, the 'wiped off the map' comment was certainly propogated by those who had a vested interest in doing so.

12. Posted by kombizz (Full Member 1416 posts) 10y Star this if you like it!


- More than 40 per cent of the population of Gaza are children under the age of 15.

- Dr Derek Summerfield:"two-thirds of the 621 children killed at checkpoints, in the street, on the way to school, in their homes, died from small arms fire, directed in over half of cases to the head, neck and chest - the sniper's wound". Reporting on a four-year field study in occupied Palestine for the British Medical Journal.

- Dr Khalid Dahlan, a psychiatrist: "is that 99.4 per cent of the children we studied suffer trauma. Once you look at the rates of exposure to trauma, you see why: 99.2 per cent of the study group's homes were bombarded; 97.5 per cent were exposed to tear gas; 96.6 per cent witnessed shootings; 95.8 per cent witnessed bombardment and funerals; almost a quarter saw family members injured or killed."


13. Posted by magykal1 (Travel Guru 2026 posts) 10y Star this if you like it!

Kombizz, do you believe that the fact that some Palestinians have been brutally killed by some Israelis exonerates those Palestinians who choose to brutally kill Israelis?

14. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 10y Star this if you like it!

So the "fact" that more than 40% of the population of Gaza are children.....isn't that reason enough for Hamas to stop shooting and start negotiating?

Hamas is blinded by their own religious insanity....they will never change. Israel is also blinded by their religion. Is it a surprise that neighbors who can't stop throwing rocks at each other have traumatized children?? And guess what? Those traumatized children grow up to be traumatized adults, who continue the same stupid tactics their idiot parents began, and the cycle never ends.

Kombizz, of course this is a human tragedy...I'm not disputing that. But you don't seem to see the situation from both sides....almost as if you are blinded by your religion. Wake up man....can't you see that BOTH sides are horribly guilty?

Hey, too bad that the Powers-That-Be created with it, talk about it, work together politically. If you think you have the right to throw a rock at them, they have a right to throw one back at you. If you start a fight, you better damn well expect that someone bigger is going to come along and kick your ass, and maybe your family's ass if they try to help you.

Apparently the leadership of Hamas isn't bright enough to realize that violence only begets more violence. And neither is the Israeli government.

But hey, let's say, for argument sake, that the USA leaves the region completely, along with France, Britain, Russia, etc. Now that there are no more people watching what's going on, how long will it take for some Islamic nutjob, excuse me..."martyr", to drive a truck into the Israeli Knesset? Then more attacks, and Israel starts running out of ammunition.....but wait!! There's always the old "tactical nuclear weapon"!!! Goodbye Tehran, Damascus, Beirut, Riyadh, Cairo, Baghdad.....and there sits longer threatened by her neighbors (most of whom evaporated)....sure, it sits in the middle of a slightly radioactive zone of death...but she's safe!!! The Western World finds a new resource to fuel it's growth...oil is obsolete. the Middle east languishes back into the Stone Age...right where all the zealots wanted it to be!!!! YAY for the world.

Alright, that story is a bit of a stretch, but never underestimate the insanity of man. That could happen just as easily as any other scenario.

Talk, don't shoot.

15. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 10y Star this if you like it!

Quoting Herr Bert

But the founding of the state of Israel, without asking the people who lived there, after WWII has lead to the mess we're in today. There are things to say for both sides of the story, but not for the use of violence from both sides.

And what referendum of the native peoples resulted in the establishment of....oh say....Canada, USA, Australia, New Zealand,....

16. Posted by kombizz (Full Member 1416 posts) 10y Star this if you like it!

- The war on children

- Targeting Gaza’s children with Sound Bombs





17. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 10y Star this if you like it!

Kombizz.......what part are you missing here?

And you still haven't answered my original question.

18. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4138 posts) 10y Star this if you like it!

My wife is half Australian, half Palestinian and she just so happened to be born in Austria (that's Austria, not Australia).

Her father fled Palestine 30 odd years ago when his town suddenly came under Israeli ownership / occupation / rule / whatever you want to call it.

Basically, you had a gun pointed to your head and were told to get out of your house as you no longer own it.

For a group of people who were treated so brutally under the Nazis, they sure no how to dish it out.

19. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 10y Star this if you like it!

I remember one of my mother's friends, a devout Catholic, had gone to Israel on retreat to visit the holy land. When she got back, she told us she'd never seen people treated as badly as the Israelites treated the Palestinians. I don't know all the details of the history or the fighting, and I've no vested interest in who's right and who's wrong, but that's always stayed in my mind. She thought it was awful that a place 3 massive religions consider the "Holy land" was anything but.

[ Edit: Edited on Jan 21, 2008, at 1:45 PM by tway ]

20. Posted by Hien (Travel Guru 3906 posts) 10y Star this if you like it!

Quoting beerman

Kombizz.......what part are you missing here?

And you still haven't answered my original question.

I think he's not interested in replying your question. And looking at all his past responses in other threads that he had replied to, I believe he probably has not read any of the replies in this thread at all.