Airfare price increases....Depressing!

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11. Posted by bentivogli (Respected Member 2398 posts) 10y Star this if you like it!

First off, Brian, would you mind to keep nice? Second, carbon emission per traveller mile is really quite a bit higher in air transport than overland. Your argument that total global overland transport causes worse pollution than total global air transport is as true as it is besides the point.

12. Posted by mojorob (Moderator 1047 posts) 10y Star this if you like it!

Quoting bentivogli

Am I the only one here thinking that this is truly wonderful news?

The more expensive it becomes, the more aspiring travellers will actually think before recklessly flying their bums halfway across the globe for a five-day holiday. Any of you ever thinks about the amounts of fuel involved?

I'm with you on this one. Fuel is a limited resource, there's only going to be so much of it and burning through it just because we can is not a good reason to do so.

There has also been an increase in flying overseas for what can basically be done closer to home (e.g. weekend partying which carries negative images of all people from the country the few who are doing this are from).

There is also something to be said about helping the local economy of whichever country you're living in when choosing to travel somewhere.

13. Posted by magykal1 (Travel Guru 2026 posts) 10y Star this if you like it!

Yeah, I'm going to agree with Mojorob and Bentivogli, really people should be cutting down non-essential high polluting travel a bit anyway, we've got too used to being able to jet off to short-haul locations for next to nothing when it would be a better idea to catch the train, for example.

14. Posted by bwiiian (Travel Guru 769 posts) 10y Star this if you like it!

Sorry Bentivogli, I didnt mean to be rude. Here are just a few facts about the whole aviation/shipping thing. I haven't bothered to put any info on carbon emissions by cars as we all know that they are very bad indeed and use up about 40% of the worlds carbon emissions. Baring this in mind, overland and sea emissions are roughly 22 times that of the aviation industry.

"BEIJING (Reuters) - Emissions from ocean-going ships are responsible for about 60,000 deaths a year from heart and lung-related cancers, according to research published on Wednesday that calls for tougher fuel standards.

Carbon dioxide emissions from shipping are double those of aviation and increasing at an alarming rate which will have a serious impact on global warming, according to research by the industry and European academics."

From The Guardian newspaper:

"Separate studies suggest that maritime carbon dioxide emissions are not only higher than previously thought, but could rise by as much as 75% in the next 15 to 20 years if world trade continues to grow and no action is taken. The figures from the oil giant BP, which owns 50 tankers, and researchers at the Institute for Physics and Atmosphere in Wessling, Germany reveal that annual emissions from shipping range between 600 and 800m tonnes of carbon dioxide, or up to 5% of the global total. This is nearly double Britain's total emissions and more than all African countries combined.

Aviation carbon dioxide emissions, estimated to be about 2% of the global total, have been at the forefront of the climate change debate because of the sharp increase in cheap flights, whereas shipping emissions have risen nearly as fast in the past 20 years but have been ignored by governments and environmental groups."

From the Herald Tribune:

"So let's look at the facts. And let's take them from the world's most authoritative body on this issue, the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

The IPCC estimates that aviation today is responsible for 2 percent of global CO2 emissions with a total climate change impact of 3 percent. These figures have remained largely unchanged over the last two decades, despite the growth of air traffic."

15. Posted by mojorob (Moderator 1047 posts) 10y Star this if you like it!

It can be argued in circles what sector of travel & how much other factors pump out what percentages of carbon. Just because one thing may or may not pump out a total of 2% of global CO2 emissions doesn't mean you can ignore it!!

The use of ALL things that pump out carbon should be reduced wherever possible - this includes things like use of planes, trains, cars, ships. It all adds up, no matter what the percentage of overall emissions they may or may not produce.

All mechanised forms of travel are luxuries at the end of the day, not "rights". It really is a case of reducing non-essential travel (not only by plane, but also by car etc.) and gaining some kind of sense of responsibility for the whole world and not only "our immediate world".

16. Posted by bwiiian (Travel Guru 769 posts) 10y Star this if you like it!

Of course I agree that we need to cut down on emissions, my only problem is the fact that the aviation industry is being used as a scapegoat and if you look at the facts it is just so ridiculous to put all the blame on something that uses only 2% of all carbon emissions. How many people that go on about flying destroying our world own cars? I certainly do not own a car. I also do not work for one of the many big industries. How many people again that spout about airlines being evil work for a big industry? Even if you leave your TV on standby then you don't have any right to place the blame anywhere else, especially if that blame is not justified. We are all in agreement about global warming and we all need to change our habits, but lets start from the right place like in our homes and cars and work places that are a far bigger threat to global warming than airlines.

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