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Overstayed 25 days (totally 115) in a period of 180 days

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1. Posted by testingass (Budding Member 2 posts) 7y Star this if you like it!

Hello all,

I already read couple of posts about overstaying in Schengen, but still I couldn't find the proper answer.
I come to europe quite a lot, for business purposes. I have Israeli nationality, it allows me to stay 90 days visa free per one stay and also it has to be 90 days in a 180 days period (same as US and other visa waiver countries).

I was traveling back and forth for 2 years and I never overstayed the first rule of 90 days per one stay, but I overstayed the second rule, when I stayed 115 days in a period of 180 days (I already overstayed couple of times that rule already, but the passport control never checked it, until the last time). I never had any illegal incidents and never been deported from anywhere, neither fines. Last time I was leaving Schengen through Swiss, which are considered to be strict. The officer started counting how many days I stayed in europe in a 180 day period and then I got called by the immigration and they told me I have to pay a fine of about 300E, I didn't have that money with me, so they said they will send it to my address. They told me ONLY about this time that I overstayed 25 days, they probably didn't notice the previous times. They were unclear about if I am banned from EU or if I can go in again, when I asked if I can go in again, the officer said "I don't know, it will depend on the passport control when you will come" and also he said that the final answer will come from some place (he said it in German). From here I assume that I am not banned. He then put me a REGULAR departure stamp with three additional letters "AUG".

1. Anyone has an idea what those letters mean?
2. And most importantly, do you think that this incident that happened is stored somewhere in the EU immigration database and next time when I come to Europe it will automatically pop-up at the border control? or they just check according to the passport stamps? the way it was before I'm sure they only checked my passport according to the stamps and they never checked them properly. If they will see that I had overstay problems before, they will definetely check my passport properly every time from now on.

3.Also I will be coming from Bangkok to Amsterdam, but via Zurich. where will I have passport control? at Zurich or at Amsterdam? (hopefully for me at Amsterdam).

2. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3290 posts) 7y Star this if you like it!

2. Making an educated guess: It will be stored in the future, after you got your letter in German. And then it will pop up.

3. Zurich.

I highly recommend staying away from the Schengen area for at least 90 days, 180 days would be better.

3. Posted by joce1180 (Budding Member 2 posts) 6y Star this if you like it!

Hello...

Ive been reading your thread...and How can they ask you to pay a fine... ??

Can u telle us wat happenned afterwards... ??

Letter in German??? wat if u dont understand German???

Please let know wat happenned..!!!

4. Posted by testingass (Budding Member 2 posts) 6y Star this if you like it!

They send a letter to the address you specify. Then you have to pay it via a bank transfer.

Actually, nothing happened. I flew through Amsterdam in the end and on the border they barely checked my passport and just let me in as usual.

If you don't understand German, then you should find someone who does..

5. Posted by joce1180 (Budding Member 2 posts) 6y Star this if you like it!

Quoting testingass

They send a letter to the address you specify. Then you have to pay it via a bank transfer.

Actually, nothing happened. I flew through Amsterdam in the end and on the border they barely checked my passport and just let me in as usual.

If you don't understand German, then you should find someone who does..

Thank you for your reply...well im in teh same scenario as u were.. Ive been caught overstaying and received a letter to pay fine 650 from the swiss authirity.

I can see that I have 1 month to effect payment...and I will pay it.

My question is I want to fly back to europe NOT through swiss anymore... and my new period 90/180-days has just started... Do u think i can go in though I will pay before the ending the 1 Month limit...??

Thanx mate.

6. Posted by cocoroko (Budding Member 2 posts) 7w Star this if you like it!

Hi hope I can get help from this threat.

I am in the same situation right now. Stopped at the border control in Zurich and claimed I overstated for 6days. I am currently waiting for my letter so I can pay the fined.

What's does it mean ? I am willing to pay the fined but am I banned from entering Schengen states ? I would like to know what was your experiences ok entering Europe after paying your fines.

Hope to hear from someone thanks

7. Posted by leics2 (Respected Member 188 posts) 7w Star this if you like it!

The original post on this thread dates from 7 years ago and the other replies from 6 years ago. Things will have changed in that time.

>What's does it mean

No-one can tell you with any certainty what will happen to you next time you try to enter a Schengen country. At any border control, everything depends on the individual and the border officer who deals with him/her on the day. What has happened to others has no real relevance to what might happen to you.

As your overstay was quite short imo it's unlikely that the letter will include a formal ban on entry for x years (which can be done) but it will certainly be noted on the system shared across all 26 Schengen countries and will show up on screen when your passport is scanned.

You can of course be refused entry. No-one has the right to enter any country other than its own citizens, even if there are no previous difficulties. But as your overstay was quite short imo it is more likely that you will be asked more questions than usual to ensure that you do not intend to overstay again. Make sure you have documents to show you have health insurance and enough money to support yourself during your stay (bank accounts etc), plus convincing travel plans and, ideally, proof of onward travel outside Schengen (e.g. return air ticket).

You say border control 'claimed' you overstayed. They didn't 'claim' it: you overstayed. If you are asked, don't try to suggest or imply that border control somehow got it wrong. That's really not a good idea. Just acknowledge that you made an unintentional mistake and that it won't happen again.

Good luck!

[ Edit: Edited on 03-Jan-2018, at 01:04 by leics2 ]

8. Posted by cocoroko (Budding Member 2 posts) 7w Star this if you like it!

Thanks for the reply. I appreciated